Cont: Brexit: Now What? 9 Below Zero

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The Don said:
A number of my Conservative friends have suggested that Boris Johnson, now that he's no longer beholden to the ERG and DUP will pivot back to the centre and deliver a much "softer" Brexit than his, or Theresa May's deal.

Being Cassandra I've said that it does the complete opposite, it gives him carte blanche to satisfy his financial backers and deliver a no-deal Brexit whilst turning the UK into a regulation-free sweatshop.

Looking at the proposed terms of the Brexit bill, that pivot doesn't seem to be happening:



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50818134

Sounds like he's going to fritter away the transition period before those horrid Europeans force the UK to crash out with no-deal.

And how will the UK respond ? ......



Wow, what a shock :rolleyes:, hope those working-class turkeys are looking forward to Christmas
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Any idea who'll win the 3:15 at Redcar...?
 
I would like to applaud the cunning of the EU. They've succeeded in their devious plan to purposefully extend the negotiations, all the while giving the appearance of acting in good faith by agreeing deals with both May and Johnson. Their negotiators must be downright Machiavellian.
 
The markets reacted favourably to Boris Johnson's election (astonishing as that may seem) but have now returned to their previous levels as the reality of Brexit sinks in.

The pound has fallen back to where it was before the UK general election amid fresh concerns over a no-deal Brexit.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50821583

Looks like some in the markets are coming to the same conclusion I have regarding no-deal:

Michael Brown, senior analyst at payments firm Caxton, said: "Markets are now more fearful of a no-deal exit at end of next year."

Dean Turner, economist at UBS Wealth Management, said: "The pound's latest slide is symptomatic of the fact that Brexit is a way off being 'done', and will remain important for sterling over the coming months.

"Despite the Prime Minister's new-found majority spurring a relief rally, gains were always likely to be capped as investors turned their attention to phase two of the talks."

Mr Turner added that the risk of the UK reverting to trading with the EU on World Trade Organization terms "could still drive larger sterling moves, particularly given the latest noises coming out of Downing Street."
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....and of my concerns about continuing to move to the right.

However. Mr Cheetham added that the government stance "seems to suggest that for now the sizable majority held by the Conservatives means that the government will use this to play hard-ball with the EU, rather than to move back to the centre and alienate the more eurosceptic wing of the party."
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ceptimus said:
No, I don't accept that either. Where's your evidence that he voted against his own deal? I think you imagined that. He stopped pushing it when it was apparent that his opponents were sabotaging and delaying it. Perfectly correct of him to do that, and subsequent events have shown that he did exactly the right thing.
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I never said he voted against his own deal....
 
The Don said:
The markets reacted favourably to Boris Johnson's election (astonishing as that may seem) but have now returned to their previous levels as the reality of Brexit sinks in.







https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50821583



Looks like some in the markets are coming to the same conclusion I have regarding no-deal:







....and of my concerns about continuing to move to the right.
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Foolish people, it is the Trump phenomenon, they think the blundering, the cackhandedness, the populism and so on is an act to fool the little people so Johnson could get elected. Seems to keep surprising them that if you elect someone who is a proven bungler, proven liar, proven failure and a buffoon you get what it says on the tin and not a competent leader.
 
Darat said:
Foolish people, it is the Trump phenomenon, they think the blundering, the cackhandedness, the populism and so on is an act to fool the little people so Johnson could get elected. Seems to keep surprising them that if you elect someone who is a proven bungler, proven liar, proven failure and a buffoon you get what it says on the tin and not a competent leader.
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IMO it's both.

The bumbling "Boris" character is constructed to make Boris Johnson appealing to the public at large - after all who doesn't love a tousled, slightly disorganised, toff :rolleyes:.

The real Boris Johnson isn't the avuncular bumbler he portrays. He's a nasty, piece of work who also happens to be lazy and incompetent.
 
It is an act to some extant, though, isn't it? One of the most revealing stories I heard about Johnson during the leadership election was told by a TV/radio presenter (I want to say Jeremy Vine, but I could be misremembering) who heard him speak at a function a few years ago. He turned up, expressed surprise that he was supposed to be giving a speech, made a few desultory notes for one which he then left on the table, and improvised a speech which went down well - it was a bit rambling, and there was a shaggy dog story they never did hear the punch line for, but the "good old, bumbling, Boris" image was clear. Then a couple of years later the same guy went to another function where Johnson was again the guest speaker, and was treated to exactly the same performance. Word for word. He's such a lazy git, he hadn't bothered to change the script at all.
 
Pixel42 said:
It is an act to some extant, though, isn't it? One of the most revealing stories I heard about Johnson during the leadership election was told by a TV/radio presenter (I want to say Jeremy Vine, but I could be misremembering) who heard him speak at a function a few years ago. He turned up, expressed surprise that he was supposed to be giving a speech, made a few desultory notes for one which he then left on the table, and improvised a speech which went down well - it was a bit rambling, and there was a shaggy dog story they never did hear the punch line for, but the "good old, bumbling, Boris" image was clear. Then a couple of years later the same guy went to another function where Johnson was again the guest speaker, and was treated to exactly the same performance. Word for word. He's such a lazy git, he hadn't bothered to change the script at all.
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You remember it correctly, it was a Jeremy Vine anecdote.

https://reaction.life/jeremy-vine-my-boris-story/
 
Pixel42 said:
It is an act to some extant, though, isn't it? One of the most revealing stories I heard about Johnson during the leadership election was told by a TV/radio presenter (I want to say Jeremy Vine, but I could be misremembering) who heard him speak at a function a few years ago. He turned up, expressed surprise that he was supposed to be giving a speech, made a few desultory notes for one which he then left on the table, and improvised a speech which went down well - it was a bit rambling, and there was a shaggy dog story they never did hear the punch line for, but the "good old, bumbling, Boris" image was clear. Then a couple of years later the same guy went to another function where Johnson was again the guest speaker, and was treated to exactly the same performance. Word for word. He's such a lazy git, he hadn't bothered to change the script at all.
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There’s working harder and working smarter. If the audience get the desired reaction in response to an after dinner speech then is no problem.

Most people who do public events will have some stock speeches and anecdotes.
 
angrysoba said:
There’s working harder and working smarter. If the audience get the desired reaction in response to an after dinner speech then is no problem.

Most people who do public events will have some stock speeches and anecdotes.
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Absolutely, buthe thrust of Jeremy Vine's anecdote wasn't that material was re-used but rather that the bumbling toff image is a carefully constructed conceit rather than reflecting reality.
 
The Don said:
Absolutely, buthe thrust of Jeremy Vine's anecdote wasn't that material was re-used but rather that the bumbling toff image is a carefully constructed conceit rather than reflecting reality.
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I got quite a few insider stories about him when he was Major of London by a friend who was on the assembly in Johnson's first term.

His bumbling avuncular uncle character is entirely an act.
 
Darat said:
I got quite a few insider stories about him when he was Major of London by a friend who was on the assembly in Johnson's first term.

His bumbling avuncular uncle character is entirely an act.
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I have heard similar things from an acquaintance whose husband is in the House of Lords. She was very dismissive of the whole 'bumbling' act.
 
Worm said:
I have heard similar things from an acquaintance whose husband is in the House of Lords. She was very dismissive of the whole 'bumbling' act.
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Apparently when he is screaming at people because he is unhappy all that pseudo stuttering disappears.
 
Darat said:
I got quite a few insider stories about him when he was Major of London by a friend who was on the assembly in Johnson's first term.

His bumbling avuncular uncle character is entirely an act.
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I don't know the incompetence seems quite real, it just goes from charming bumbling to blithering idiocy.
 
The Don said:
IMO it's both.

The bumbling "Boris" character is constructed to make Boris Johnson appealing to the public at large - after all who doesn't love a tousled, slightly disorganised, toff :rolleyes:.

The real Boris Johnson isn't the avuncular bumbler he portrays. He's a nasty, piece of work who also happens to be lazy and incompetent.
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I'm curious, what is your evidence that he's lazy? Serious question.
 
Doghouse Reilly said:
I'm curious, what is your evidence that he's lazy? Serious question.
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Kenneth Clarke said Johnson was the despair of his civil servants when he was Foreign Secretary because he never bothered to read the briefing papers they prepared for him before a meeting, he'd just try to wing it. That's why he made so many blunders, like when he intervened for that poor woman who was on trial in Turkey and made things much worse by essentially saying she was guilty when she was actually maintaining she was innocent.
 
Pixel42 said:
Kenneth Clarke said Johnson was the despair of his civil servants when he was Foreign Secretary because he never bothered to read the briefing papers they prepared for him before a meeting, he'd just try to wing it. That's why he made so many blunders, like when he intervened for that poor woman who was on trial in Turkey and made things much worse by essentially saying she was guilty when she was actually maintaining she was innocent.
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Do you mean Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe? If so maybe you should read your briefing papers more carefully? :D
 
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