Cont: Brexit: Now What? 9 Below Zero

[wobs]

Boris is certainly consistently inconsistent.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Ah, but the deal that Boris Johnson negotiated is fundamentally different in every possible way from Theresa May's deal. and not just a mild re-hashing of it as the Remoaner press would have us believe.

Yes, it was proposed by a man.

 

[Tolls]

The right hand side of each of those images has been bought upon us because of remain-supporting politicians plotting to thwart Brexit. Were it not for them, the left hand side statements would have been shown to be correct and we'd already be out of the EU, and rid of the continued debilitating uncertainty to our economy.

You can keep repeating this as much as you like, but it is quite simply a lie.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

It's clear from watching this debate that nobody is actually very clear on what this deal means and, worse, the PM is being dishonest about what it actually says.

Anyone who votes for this or for the program motion doesn't care about the future of the country.

 

[Nessie]

Johnson is a bare faced liar. He has been claiming no back stop and now the DUP are raising the issue of customs checks for goods going from NI to the UK. Johnson's supposed no backstop is more of a backstop than the original backstop was!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-50137320

"Firms in Northern Ireland will have to submit declaration forms for goods heading to the rest of the UK, under the government's Brexit deal.
Brexit Secretary Steve Barclay was forced to make the admission after initially denying it was the case.
This followed previous assurances that Northern Ireland-GB trade would be "unfettered".

 

[jimbob]

As I understand it that one opened the way for a default hard Brexit on Oct 31st. This one would be within an extension period.

However, it's fair to say that my comprehension of what's going on seems to get less every day

Oh, you have some way to go before you could get a Cabinet post.

I suppose Gove is apparently pretty astute when he wants to be, but some of the others wouldn't be able to fall for the Nigerian prince scam without help.

 

[Vixen]

Johnson is a bare faced liar. He has been claiming no back stop and now the DUP are raising the issue of customs checks for goods going from NI to the UK. Johnson's supposed no backstop is more of a backstop than the original backstop was!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-50137320

"Firms in Northern Ireland will have to submit declaration forms for goods heading to the rest of the UK, under the government's Brexit deal.
Brexit Secretary Steve Barclay was forced to make the admission after initially denying it was the case.
This followed previous assurances that Northern Ireland-GB trade would be "unfettered".

So, will NI be classed as GB VAT or EC VAT. When it receives goods from the UK or sends goods to the UK, what EC VAT forms need to be filled in and by whom and if NI is no longer classed as GB VAT will it need to apply new VAT Registration Numbers, or will the UK now get rid of the GB part or theirs now it is no longer in the EU.

Guidance notes for EC lists here:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/vat-ec-sales-list-vat101

 

[Klimax]

Yes, it was proposed by a man.

Got evidence that's the reason or are you competing with brexiters for the worst assertion of the year?

 

[Garrison]

They opposed it last time because of the increased possibility of crashing out without a deal on Oct 31st - basically, they didn't trust Johnson not to do that. It's more likely they'll agree to an election this time, I think, but still not certain.

I suspect the opposition parties won't want a situation where Boris can offer a nod and wink to the Brexit party supporters about delivering a no deal. They really want Boris to have to deal with the consequences of his actions and for the public to see the effect of his economic and social policies before they go to the polls.

 

[Garrison]

Johnson is a bare faced liar. He has been claiming no back stop and now the DUP are raising the issue of customs checks for goods going from NI to the UK. Johnson's supposed no backstop is more of a backstop than the original backstop was!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-50137320

"Firms in Northern Ireland will have to submit declaration forms for goods heading to the rest of the UK, under the government's Brexit deal.
Brexit Secretary Steve Barclay was forced to make the admission after initially denying it was the case.
This followed previous assurances that Northern Ireland-GB trade would be "unfettered".

That right there is probably the thing that will scupper any chance of getting this deal through.

 

[p0lka]

Ah, but the deal that Boris Johnson negotiated is fundamentally different in every possible way from Theresa May's deal. and not just a mild re-hashing of it as the Remoaner press would have us believe.

Yet at the same time iain duncan smith, today in the HoC, argued that parliament doesn't need any more than 3 days to scrutinize the bill as all the scrutiny has already been done. Due to it being the same as Mays deal and all that.

 

[lomiller]

The right hand side of each of those images has been bought upon us because of remain-supporting politicians plotting to thwart Brexit.

Nonsense. If there was a real majority in favor of Brexit then Brexit supporters wouldn’t need any help from remainers in order to pass a Brexit deal. There is no real Brexit deal that a majority of the UK population actually supports. What happened is that remaining in the EU has far more public support than any actual Brexit deal could ever garner so Brexit supporters systematically lied to gain votes.

Were it not for them, the left hand side statements would have been shown to be correct and we'd already be out of the EU, and rid of the continued debilitating uncertainty to our economy.

More nonsense. Most of those promises were impossible from the start, and the ones that were possible were only possible in the context of Brexit deals that would never win popular support.

 

[Pixel42]

2nd reading passes by 30 votes. That's a bigger margin than I was expecting, and bodes ill for the programme motion.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

2nd reading passes by 30 votes. That's a bigger margin than I was expecting, and bodes ill for the programme motion.

But the program motion has been defeated and now the government has said they will pull the Bill.

 

[Pixel42]

Timetable motion defeated by 14.

 

[LibraryLady]

Has anyone else noticed this.

 

[Pixel42]

Legislation paused, not pulled.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

Legislation paused, not pulled.

BoJo even lied about that.

 

[sphenisc]

BoJo even lied about that.

I'm guessing he hasn't set a date for a general election either

 

[Garrison]

I'm guessing he hasn't set a date for a general election either

he can't without the approval of Parliament and so far the attitude of the opposition parties seems to be that Boris should clean up his own Brexit mess before getting an election.