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Brexit is like watching people fall over themselves to buy an investment that is too good to be true.

I find it hard to agree with that idea.

Half of Britons still think Brexit is a great idea, even now they have access to all the data.

Fact is, you live on an island on which a slim majority doesn't want to be part of Europe. Brexit is the purest form of democracy you can get.
 
And bear in mind, up to three million EU citizens in the UK did not get a vote in the UK EU Elections.

Neither did British EU expats on the Brexit referendum.

Democratic deficit par exellence.

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Donald Trump has said Boris Johnson would be an "excellent" choice for the Conservative Party leadership.

In an interview with the Sun ahead of his visit to the UK, Mr Trump said: "I think Boris would do a very good job."

The US president said other candidates had sought his endorsement, adding: "I could help anybody."


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48478706

Remember Obama's back-of-the-queue comment? Brexiteers will go ******* over this.
 
I find it hard to agree with that idea.

Half of Britons still think Brexit is a great idea, even now they have access to all the data.

Fact is, you live on an island on which a slim majority doesn't want to be part of Europe. Brexit is the purest form of democracy you can get.

They may have access to much better data, but they are still being fed and are lapping up the fake news.

Some people still go after investments that are too good to be true, despite repeated warnings that those forms of investment rarely if ever pay out as claimed.
 
Does the Dunning-Kruger effect apply to assessments of other people?

Sort of. David Dunning has come up with a concept he calls Cassandra Quandary. It means that people are unable to recognize people with superior expertise.
 
They may have access to much better data, but they are still being fed and are lapping up the fake news.

Some people still go after investments that are too good to be true, despite repeated warnings that those forms of investment rarely if ever pay out as claimed.
It seems Trump promises salvation for Britain, but this is completely unknowable. The problem there is that his sanctions are weakening the American hand. I agree with most people that thumping the China that is brainwashing its citizens is paramount. But this is no damn good for Britain. I implore you all to cancel Brexit.
 
Donald Trump has said Boris Johnson would be an "excellent" choice for the Conservative Party leadership.

In an interview with the Sun ahead of his visit to the UK, Mr Trump said: "I think Boris would do a very good job."

The US president said other candidates had sought his endorsement, adding: "I could help anybody."


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48478706

They are both fans of far-right svengali figure Steve Bannon.

Amazed Trump hasn't yet endorsed Farage as well.
 
I find it hard to agree with that idea.

Half of Britons still think Brexit is a great idea, even now they have access to all the data.

Fact is, you live on an island on which a slim majority doesn't want to be part of Europe. Brexit is the purest form of democracy you can get.

No! The problem with the referendum is that no quorum was set. Normally, under company law, say a shareholder or member wants to change the constitution of the organisation. They would need to bring a 'Special Resolution' (=referendum) at an annual meeting, and the resolution is only passed if at least 75% (or similar figure) concur. The UK Brexit referendum should have set a threshold figure. For example, 60% or even 55%. Setting it at 50% makes it wide open to abuse. For example, Russian money ploughed in to swing the vote or PR merchants.

As it is 52-48 suggests the result could easily have been different on a different day. Brits love a protest vote, so you need to set a bar to filter out the mischief-makers.
 
They may have access to much better data, but they are still being fed and are lapping up the fake news.

Some people still go after investments that are too good to be true, despite repeated warnings that those forms of investment rarely if ever pay out as claimed.

The Brexiters are saying exactly the same thing.

Evidence?

Sorry, I keep forgetting about people who have been off the planet for the past few months.

UK recently took part in elections for the European Parliament and the Brexit Party cleaned up. The "leave" vote total was higher than those voting to remain, even allowing for all Labour's votes as remain, which is not the case.
 
I find it hard to agree with that idea.

Half of Britons still think Brexit is a great idea, even now they have access to all the data.

Fact is, you live on an island on which a slim majority doesn't want to be part of Europe. Brexit is the purest form of democracy you can get.

One form of democracy, at least: mob rule.

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The idea that democracy, as well as human rights, are based on principles of universal application is clearly dead in Western culture.

Under such principles, one might argue that governance finds its most effective and practical expression in the form of communities of shared interest (nation states), making governance practical and properly focused on local application of universals. These principles are by no means violated by any such communities, states or nations then banding together into larger aggregates (EU); there is no logical or ideological contradiction involved.

To support the notion that multi-level structures of governance are a bad idea ('evil EU empire'), one must also logically reject any such aggregation on home territory, as well as now question the legitimacy of governance itself. In its final form, say "hello" to the disaggregated, nation-less, state-less, ungovernable Avalon of Anarchy that Brexit ultimately argues for. No surprise that its denouement is likely to lead to the breakup of the UK itself.

In short, the arguments of Brexit are self-contradictory, a mish-mash of loose verbiage lacking any tether to principle or solid grounding: A pauper among political philosophies without any foundation beyond naked tribalism. The emotional catharsis it offers its adepts tingles invitingly, but does so by loosening the savage within, affording the same kind of cheap and easy "freedom" one gets, say, when loosening a girdle, or tossing garbage where once forbidden.

Brexit, as formulated by its proponents, is the clear rejection of any principles of recognizable universal application, and therefore consists of a frontal assault on democracy itself. To praise it in terms of its supposed democratic credentials relies on equating the denial of principle with its affirmation, an impossibility. That is the trap that the unwise, strident or Putin-adoring have fallen into, soon to discover the walls of that trap are steep, indeed.
 
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I find it hard to agree with that idea.

Half of Britons still think Brexit is a great idea, even now they have access to all the data.

Fact is, you live on an island on which a slim majority doesn't want to be part of Europe. Brexit is the purest form of democracy you can get.

Actually the latest polls are consistently showing a significant majority for remain. Around 8/10%, and this was reflected in the recent EU elections with the combined vote for the remain parties versus the leave parties.
 
They are both fans of far-right svengali figure Steve Bannon.

Amazed Trump hasn't yet endorsed Farage as well.

He has. In this morning's reports President Trump suggests a no deal Brexit with Farage in charge of the negotiations.
 
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