Archie Gemmill Goal
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JRM is a non-entity. He hasn't even put his name in the hat yet has he?
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48445430
The misconduct being the claim that the UK gives the EU £350m a week, which could be spent on the NHS.
I think that this could just get Boris more support, as those for Brexit position themselves as victims of a dirty tricks campaign to try and stop Brexit.
The unicorns they promised with Brexit could have happened, but for the evil remainers and EU....
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dudalb
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Just put in Trump instead of British poiticians,and it fits the US situation.
dudalb
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I see that they will have new elections in Israel after Bibi was unable to put a coalition together.
Maybe he and May can cry on each other;s shoulder as members of a "Had to quit as PM because I could not make a deal" club.
Maybe he and May can cry on each other;s shoulder as members of a "Had to quit as PM because I could not make a deal" club.
IMO the news from the SMMT (Society of Motor Vehicle Manufacturers and Traders) is an indication of what to expect post-Brexit.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48451024
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48451024
To be fair this is a statistical anomaly. Factories usually shut down for a few weeks in the summer, they did so in early April this year due to Brexit fears. The employees get shafted for summer holidays and the stockpiling and rerouting was costly and all of this will result in divesment, but the statistics paint a far bleaker picture than reality.
McHrozni
True, but it's indicative of a longer-term trend and issues in the global market that a post-Brexit UK is ill-equipped to tackle:
(quote is from the same BBC article)
To me it's not clear where the "sunny uplands" are going to come from.
Yes, definitely, no doubt there.
The picture is not as bleak as "20% drop in output in one year" though. Not an impressive bar to set or anything, but I' try to be as objective as possible at all times.
Sunny uplands are a Brexit fantasy, they always were. Britain is such a mess right now and the worst thing is, it's not getting better yet.
McHrozni
Yes, definitely, no doubt there.
The picture is not as bleak as "20% drop in output in one year" though. Not an impressive bar to set or anything, but I' try to be as objective as possible at all times.
Sunny uplands are a Brexit fantasy, they always were. Britain is such a mess right now and the worst thing is, it's not getting better yet.
McHrozni
The Honda plant in Swindon is closing, production at Jaguar Landrover is being reduced and/or switched to plants in the EU, Nissan aren't building the X-Trail in Sunderland and BMW have already floated the idea that Mini production could be moved inside the EU in the event of a no-deal Brexit.
A 20% drop in production could represent a best possible outcome
.The Honda plant in Swindon is closing, production at Jaguar Landrover is being reduced and/or switched to plants in the EU, Nissan aren't building the X-Trail in Sunderland and BMW have already floated the idea that Mini production could be moved inside the EU in the event of a no-deal Brexit.
A 20% drop in production could represent a best possible outcome
Ah, British manufacturing will be wiped out by Brexit. That's all but certain now. If it takes much longer it will no longer matter whether there's a Brexit, not just hard Brexit. If the new PM asks for an extension in late October, offers a referendum and gets the necessary extension (>6 months), much of the manufacturing will likely be gone irrespective of the end result - doubly so, if the polling is close. Triply so if Farage promises to fight a result he dislikes, as he did in 2016 and we all know he will do so again. Democracy can only work when losers accept the results, after all.
But the article doesn't just say a "20% drop", it says "20% drop in one year". Things aren't Venezuela-level bad.
Yet.
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I guess we'll see over the next 12 months.
If production bounces back up from 1.4 million back up to 1.55 or 1.6 million then we'll know that it was in fact a really a "true" 10% drop with another 10% drop added by the early shutdown. Indeed we should see production figures significantly higher than previous years for the summer months reflecting the earlier shutdown.
I'm not so sure that we will. Apart from a handful of specific models (prestige and/or electric) inventory is high so increasing production doesn't make sense.
That's what the experts estimate.
The SMMT estimated production for the whole of 2019 would be about 10% down on last year. It said the market might pick up by the end of the year if there was a favourable deal between the UK and the EU and a substantial transition period to adapt to trading outside the single market.
Quote is from the same article. Of course, with the whole Brexit thing one may never know. It would seem the car manufacturers will indeed put their pressure on politicians - British ones. If they take no deal Brexit off the table and offer a referendum between the WA and revoking A50 that would be just peachy.
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With a "no-dealer" likely to be installed as PM, that's a long shot IMO. They could offer a cash bribe from the £40bn divorce deal payment that they day they aren't going to make but that would just work in the very short term and in any case the alleged £40bn wouldn't last long.
Nah.
Offer him £40 million in donations to Tory party if he obtains the referendum, but if doesn't get one the money goes to Labour instead. Stick and carrot approach, if you throw us under the bus with a no deal Brexit you get thrown under a train yourself.
There is no love lost between British industries and Corbyn, but it's not like they have a legal obligation to uphold the threat if a no deal Brexit still happens. Plus they may give it to someone else to replace Corbyn.
McHrozni
The CBI (Confederation of British Industry) wants the Tories to rule out a no deal.
Boris Johnson tells them to **** off.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/48465791
Boris Johnson tells them to **** off.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/48465791
They're vital donors to the party, I take it?
Guess what BJ will be told. I'll take a wild guess - it will go something along the lines of: "**** off".
McHrozni
Well yes and no.
The Conservative Party does rely on large donations from business leaders but the CBI covers all of UK business (including millions of small businesses). The large (largely pro-no-deal Brexit) donors are still willing to donate to see their project through to completion.
It also might be that business has less influence these days, as per the BBC article:
Francesca R
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Big business as a check on government power? My, things have about-turned a bit.
That's one of the key advantages of capitalism over other forms of economic management. It doesn't come up all that often and it usually is the other way around, but of course big business act as a check on government power.
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