Cont: Brexit: Now What? 7th heaven...

[Tolls]

And that is a major problem. When the priority is to get a deal done rather than to pay attention to the details you know things aren't going to be thought through properly and you know that you are going to regret it later.

Oh come on.
Look at this government's track record!
How could you doubt its ability to get a good trade agreement?
Have some faith!

 

[KDLarsen]

Unfortunately this will mean that post-Brexit negotiations with the EU will start with a great deal of ill-feeling on both sides. The UK will continue to pursue a "unicorns and rainbows" trade deal in which we want all the benefits of EU membership but none of the responsibilities. The EU on the other hand will continue to insist that without the four freedoms being recognised, EEA membership is impossible and that if the UK insists on striking separate trade deals with EU partners, Customs Union membership is also off the cards. The negotiations start to drag on for years.

I'll have to go look it up, but I'm fairly certain that the EU has made it quite clear, that if the UK leaves without a deal and then turns up in Brussels asking for a trade agreement, they will first be handed a slip of paper with the contents of the Withdrawal Agreement and asked to honour that, before any talks on a trade agreement will commence.

 

[McHrozni]

I'll have to go look it up, but I'm fairly certain that the EU has made it quite clear, that if the UK leaves without a deal and then turns up in Brussels asking for a trade agreement, they will first be handed a slip of paper with the contents of the Withdrawal Agreement and asked to honour that, before any talks on a trade agreement will commence.

Yup.

They will also notify any potential countries UK will approach for a trade deal that business with EU will be "reviewed" (or something of that nature) if they enter into a trade deal with a country that just tore apart a peace treaty between itself and an EU member state.

China, Russia and USA can afford to ignore the warning. They'd suffer, but they can take the blow and sail on. The rest of the world doesn't have the power to do so. Of the three, two are irrelevant when it comes to saving the British economy and the third is more likely to side with the EU with the descision and add their weight to that of the EU than ally with UK. Most likely scenario until January 2021 is they do nothing, after that we'll see.

McHrozni

 

[The Don]

I'll have to go look it up, but I'm fairly certain that the EU has made it quite clear, that if the UK leaves without a deal and then turns up in Brussels asking for a trade agreement, they will first be handed a slip of paper with the contents of the Withdrawal Agreement and asked to honour that, before any talks on a trade agreement will commence.

Sounds reasonable and IMO the UK will refuse to do so and complain bitterly about how unreasonable the EU is being

 

[Nessie]

I regard Farage, Johnson etc as fantasists who are not greatly bothered by evidence. Just look at what they claim and how when challenged they fail to provide evidence.

I think in the future there will be an accepted link between the rise of fake news and the success of the Brexit fantasists in selling their claims.

The problem is that they have managed to sell the fantasy it will alright leaving the EU and when that goes wrong, as it will, they will blame others for supposedly sabotaging the fantasy. They will never be properly held to account.

 

[Mr Fied]

Boris getting a court summons for alleged misconduct in public office.

Did Brian Rix write all this?

 

[Lothian]

Fewer people voted for the Brexit party than signed the 'Revoke article 50 now' online petition.

Wow.

 

[The Don]

Boris getting a court summons for alleged misconduct in public office.

Did Brian Rix write all this?

Predictable response:

Mr Johnson's representatives have called the case a "stunt" that is being "brought for political purposes".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48445430

...as opposed to the £350m a week claim...

 

[Klimax]

I understand that "no-dealers" in the UK would call the EU's bluff on the Irish border issue, as in "We ain't gonna put one up, do what you like".

That bit of leverage is the thing most likely to cause the EU to grant additional concessions to avoid no deal (perhaps the threat of repudiating the financial settlement is likely to as well). Not that either of them will.

Only in brexiter's dreams.
Brexit: EU breaks up team that negotiated May's deal in clear sign it will never re-open talks

And reminder: Majority of countries will have to approve any deal, EP has to too. Do you believe they will just sign crappy deal? Not to mention: What concessions? Brits never had any idea what they want in the first place.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Only in brexiter's dreams.
Brexit: EU breaks up team that negotiated May's deal in clear sign it will never re-open talks

And reminder: Majority of countries will have to approve any deal, EP has to too. Do you believe they will just sign crappy deal? Not to mention: What concessions? Brits never had any idea what they want in the first place.

Oh I can see the brexit party killing any deal negotiated in the EU parliament.

 

[GlennB]

Oh I can see the brexit party killing any deal negotiated in the EU parliament.

How? There aren't that many of them.

 

[ponderingturtle]

How? There aren't that many of them.

In any election it only takes a few votes to sway the win. I think the vote is unlikely to be close enough for them to have that power but it is an amusing thought.

 

[catsmate]

Oh come on.
Look at this government's track record!
How could you doubt its ability to get a good trade agreement?
Have some faith!

They're supposed to be getting a good deal for Britain not America.

 

[The Don]

They're supposed to be getting a good deal for Britain not America.

It depends on what you mean by "good".

I can foresee a time when the "difficulties" resulting from Brexit are so significant and occupying the news to such an extent that a trade deal on any terms will be seen by many as being good because at least it's

• Some kind of deal..
• Our deal because we negotiated it without the EU so it must be better than the previous deal we had as an EU member
• Taken the bad news off the front pages for a news cycle or two
• Obvious that anyone pointing out any flaws in the deal are merely Remoaners continuing with "Project Fear"

No matter how wretched it is, the Daily Mail, Daily Express and Daily Telegraph will simply insist that it's the best deal ever and a clear indicator of the "sunny uplands" which are the inevitable result of Brexit.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

It depends on what you mean by "good".

I can foresee a time when the "difficulties" resulting from Brexit are so significant and occupying the news to such an extent that a trade deal on any terms will be seen by many as being good because at least it's

• Some kind of deal..
• Our deal because we negotiated it without the EU so it must be better than the previous deal we had as an EU member
• Taken the bad news off the front pages for a news cycle or two
• Obvious that anyone pointing out any flaws in the deal are merely Remoaners continuing with "Project Fear"

No matter how wretched it is, the Daily Mail, Daily Express and Daily Telegraph will simply insist that it's the best deal ever and a clear indicator of the "sunny uplands" which are the inevitable result of Brexit.

The downside of a US deal from a PR point of view is that we don't import many consumer goods from the US so there aren't a whole lot of obvious 'supermarket wins' for Joe Bloggs.

 

[dudalb]

I repeat my observation in both the US and the UK, a lot of the most capable people don't want to run for office..and I can't really blame them given what an ordeal it has become in both countries.

 

[catsmate]

It depends on what you mean by "good".

I can foresee a time when the "difficulties" resulting from Brexit are so significant and occupying the news to such an extent that a trade deal on any terms will be seen by many as being good because at least it's

• Some kind of deal..
• Our deal because we negotiated it without the EU so it must be better than the previous deal we had as an EU member
• Taken the bad news off the front pages for a news cycle or two
• Obvious that anyone pointing out any flaws in the deal are merely Remoaners continuing with "Project Fear"

No matter how wretched it is, the Daily Mail, Daily Express and Daily Telegraph will simply insist that it's the best deal ever and a clear indicator of the "sunny uplands" which are the inevitable result of Brexit.

How's the search for an Irish (great) grandparent going?

 

[The Don]

How's the search for an Irish (great) grandparent going?

It's fruitless unless I consider blood rather than adoptive parents.

I thought I had a shout at Italian citizenship given that both of my paternal grandparents were born in Italy but apparently as they both emigrated as children and took US citizenship then that's a non-starter

On the maternal side it's all British though if Scotland becomes independent, joins the EU and recognises great grandparents then I'm in with a shout.

If only I'd been any good at a prominent sport

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

On the maternal side it's all British though if Scotland becomes independent, joins the EU and recognises great grandparents then I'm in with a shout.

I'm sure we will let you in if you just shout Sajid Javid is a **** 10 times at the border.

 

[jimbob]

I'm sure we will let you in if you just shout Sajid Javid is a **** 10 times at the border.

Or only once if you use Rees Mogggggg's name instead?

Although, people generally don't want to stop saying that.