Cont: Brexit: Now What? 7th heaven...

[jimbob]

Relax, everyone.

Uri Geller is going to stop Brexit with the power of his mind.

https://twitter.com/JewishTelegraph/status/1109145636216152065

we're ******

 

[jimbob]

Who would have guessed that the emergency planning was also a bit of a mess?

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...t-reveals-chaotic-planning-for-no-deal-brexit

This high tempo is likely to be necessary for months, the document says.


One source with knowledge of Operation Yellowhammer made clear that while planning had stepped up, the overall picture remained chaotic and “rudderless”.

 

[GlennB]

Anybody know what's going on? My mind has shut down, Brexit-wise; blown a fuse maybe. Any advice much appreciated.

 

[jimbob]

Anybody know what's going on? My mind has shut down, Brexit-wise; blown a fuse maybe. Any advice much appreciated.

Are you applying for the Cabinet, then?

You'd need to work on your self-awareness, as you have some.

 

[Darat]

Anybody know what's going on? My mind has shut down, Brexit-wise; blown a fuse maybe. Any advice much appreciated.

The answer is no*.




*as long as you are limiting yourself to the currently alive population of the world

 

[Nessie]

Anybody know what's going on? My mind has shut down, Brexit-wise; blown a fuse maybe. Any advice much appreciated.

If MPs agree to May's deal, we leave later. If they do not, they have until sooner to decide "no deal" or cancel (I don't really understand why it is that way round, you would think agreeing to May's deal would mean leaving sooner and still not sure what to do would get more time).

So the three options that have been on the table for months now are still all on the table.

In effect there is complete deadlock with no sign of a solution.

 

[Vixen]

Indeed, ideological and xenophobic fantasies.

Oh come on. It should be blindingly obvious that a worker from - say - Romania will be much better off coming to work in the UK than a UK worker finding work in Romania.

(We are not talking about people working for multinationals [banks, auditors, etc] being relocated to Europe on the same or better salary, before anyone throws in that red herring.)

 

[The Don]

If MPs agree to May's deal, we leave later. If they do not, they have until sooner to decide "no deal" or cancel (I don't really understand why it is that way round, you would think agreeing to May's deal would mean leaving sooner and still not sure what to do would get more time).

So the three options that have been on the table for months now are still all on the table.

In effect there is complete deadlock with no sign of a solution.

Which means that the default, no deal on 29 March, applies..

 

[Aber]

Which means that the default, no deal on 29 March, applies..

I think 12 April is the new 29 March

 

[ctamblyn]

Which means that the default, no deal on 29 March, applies..

Apparently not.

According to the legal types I follow on Twitter, the deadline has now been formally extended in accordance with the requirements of Paragraph 3 of Article 50. The EU27 unanimously agreed, as did the UK PM, so April 12th at the earliest now. This has been formalised in a letter from Sir Tim Barrow to the President of the European Council.

Linky: https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/meetings/european-council/2019/03/21/art50/

I'm no expert but the gist of it is that HoC agreement is not required at the level of international law in this instance, the deed is now formally done. HoC will, however, ratify it anyway to keep things tidy at the UK legal level. Otherwise we could accidentally end up in the awkward situation of still being in the EU (as a matter of international law) but having inadvertently repealed the EC act of 1974 (as a matter of UK law).

 

[Vixen]

Either your Schrödinger's Romanian is only working 18½ hours per week, or he's being paid less than minimum wage. How much of a "fraction" of the previous employee's wage does this represent? Said Schrödinger's Romanian is also going to have higher living costs in the UK, so £600 here is not going to be that much better than £200 in Romania.

Of course, I only know two Romanians living in the UK. One is a GP, and the other is an asbestos contamination specialist, neither of which are minimum wage jobs.

They cram together in a family house. The one I knew managed to cadge a fiver off me, or a cup of tea, every time I passed him as I fell for his sob story, 'My hostel has cut my electricity off'.

One day having heard this tale for the third time, I enquired where he was living.

'Guildford,' he replied.

Astonished, I asked how he managed to get up to London every day, recalling my journeys from Surrey Uni and the cost.

'Oh I've got my car parked up the road'.

The cheeky little ******.

He even ran after me once to complain I'd given him a Euro coin instead of a pound. He even followed me into a supermarket after spotting me across the road.

 

[GlennB]

Who would have guessed that the emergency planning was also a bit of a mess?

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...t-reveals-chaotic-planning-for-no-deal-brexit

Ah yes. Operation Yellowhammer.

"The classified document, seen by the Guardian, sets out the command and control structures in Whitehall for coping with a no-deal departure and says government departments will have to firefight most problems for themselves – or risk a collapse of “Operation Yellowhammer”.

“The … structure will quickly fall if too many decisions are unnecessarily escalated to the top levels that could have reasonably been dealt with internally …” the document says. It also concedes there are “likely to be unforeseen issues and impacts” of a no-deal Brexit that Operation Yellowhammer has been unable to predict."

 

[catsmate]

They cram together in a family house. The one I knew managed to cadge a fiver off me, or a cup of tea, every time I passed him as I fell for his sob story, 'My hostel has cut my electricity off'.

One day having heard this tale for the third time, I enquired where he was living.

'Guildford,' he replied.

Astonished, I asked how he managed to get up to London every day, recalling my journeys from Surrey Uni and the cost.

'Oh I've got my car parked up the road'.

The cheeky little ******.

He even ran after me once to complain I'd given him a Euro coin instead of a pound. He even followed me into a supermarket after spotting me across the road.

And this is somehow related to your earlier, and still unsupported, assertions?

 

[Vixen]

And this is somehow related to your earlier, and still unsupported, assertions?

As Bob Dylan said, it doesn't take a weatherman to know which way the wind is blowing.

ETA: What about the GRAUNIAD:

“I had a target per hour to pick up 300 cases, if you do not make that target you go home.

“You were put on trial for three months and if you didn’t make the 300 crates per hour every day you didn’t get a job. I was determined to get the job so I picked up 400 crates an hour, more than I needed.”

In her 18 months in the warehouse she says there was just one British worker. “He lasted three days.”

She hated the job she says and she was lonely, but she did it for the money, £12 an hour.

In a good week she could make close to £500, more than the monthly wage in Romania but the tyranny of poor employment options made it impossible to leave.

They will do it for a miserly wage a Brit will not touch.

Don't get me wrong, they are optimising their own circumstances. That's why people migrate.

Picking up 400 crates an hour for £12 is the EU taking the piss, not the fault of the Romanians.

However, workers rights do need to be protected and this is where Corbyn is coming from. Nothing to do with xenophobia.

 

[p0lka]

So your boss puts you on a zero-hours contract. You find yourself kicking your heels at home. You work very few hours so you go down to the Benefits office. They put you on Universal Credit. Five weeks later you have a few coins in your pocket for food, the bills are mounting up, interest is accruing on your credit card at an alarming rate because of you can only make 'minumum payment' you are still waiting for your Univefrsal Credit benefit to come through.

It's terrible the situation we are in, austerity doesn't work for the people in that situation and government know that.

In the meantime you discover your boss has taken on a Romanian worker paying him a fraction of what you were being paid, as in Romania, average monthly wage is £200, so he is ecstatic to be now earning £600 pcm.

We have minimum/living wage, I suspect the fraction would be very near to 1/1, regardless of where people come from.

Does the government or the EU care? No sirree. The EU was a capitalist idea.

Employers love the idea of cheaper labour and raw materials.

Enter the Labour party and trade unions.

It takes someone like Jeremy Corbyn to stand up to the stripping away of workers rights (and that includes all of you who like to consider yourselves middle class or professional class).

No wonder the Tory press hates him and defames him at every opportunity.

I'm a labour supporter, come hell or high water, because workers need to have protection. you have to stick to the facts though

 

[Klimax]

If MPs agree to May's deal, we leave later. If they do not, they have until sooner to decide "no deal" or cancel (I don't really understand why it is that way round, you would think agreeing to May's deal would mean leaving sooner and still not sure what to do would get more time).

So the three options that have been on the table for months now are still all on the table.

In effect there is complete deadlock with no sign of a solution.

May deadline is for UK and EU to finish any technical things necessary for withdrawal. April deadline is because of EP elections.

 

[Information Analyst]

They cram together in a family house. The one I knew managed to cadge a fiver off me, or a cup of tea, every time I passed him as I fell for his sob story, 'My hostel has cut my electricity off'.

One day having heard this tale for the third time, I enquired where he was living.

'Guildford,' he replied.

Astonished, I asked how he managed to get up to London every day, recalling my journeys from Surrey Uni and the cost.

'Oh I've got my car parked up the road'.

The cheeky little ******.

He even ran after me once to complain I'd given him a Euro coin instead of a pound. He even followed me into a supermarket after spotting me across the road.

Cool anecdote, sis.

 

[Information Analyst]

As Bob Dylan said, it doesn't take a weatherman to know which way the wind is blowing.

ETA: What about the GRAUNIAD:

“I had a target per hour to pick up 300 cases, if you do not make that target you go home.

“You were put on trial for three months and if you didn’t make the 300 crates per hour every day you didn’t get a job. I was determined to get the job so I picked up 400 crates an hour, more than I needed.”

In her 18 months in the warehouse she says there was just one British worker. “He lasted three days.”

She hated the job she says and she was lonely, but she did it for the money, £12 an hour.

In a good week she could make close to £500, more than the monthly wage in Romania but the tyranny of poor employment options made it impossible to leave.

They will do it for a miserly wage a Brit will not touch.

Don't get me wrong, they are optimising their own circumstances. That's why people migrate.

Picking up 400 crates an hour for £12 is the EU taking the piss, not the fault of the Romanians.

However, workers rights do need to be protected and this is where Corbyn is coming from. Nothing to do with xenophobia.

Hang on, you were complaining earlier about Romanians stealing jobs to end up "earning £600 pcm." Now you quote someone on up to £500 per week.

Also, the numbers don't add up, since the bit you didn't quote states, "You had to work very hard every day, must pick up 2,000 boxes, boxes of milk, pizza, cooked meats, juice, yoghurt." So she goes from 2,000 "boxes" per day to 300 "cases" per hour, but ended up doing 400 "crates" per hours. In a 7½ hour day, 2,000 is 267 per hour, but 400 per hour would be 3,000 per day. Really?

 

[Vixen]

As Bob Dylan said, it doesn't take a weatherman to know which way the wind is blowing.

ETA: What about the GRAUNIAD:



Hang on, you were complaining earlier about Romanians stealing jobs to end up "earning £600 pcm." Now you quote someone on up to £500 per week.

Also, the numbers don't add up, since the bit you didn't quote states, "You had to work very hard every day, must pick up 2,000 boxes, boxes of milk, pizza, cooked meats, juice, yoghurt." So she goes from 2,000 "boxes" per day to 300 "cases" per hour, but ended up doing 400 "crates" per hours. In a 7½ hour day, 2,000 is 267 per hour, but 400 per hour would be 3,000 per day. Really?

I didn't say they were stealing jobs. Don't twist my words.

As the above is a direct quote from the GRAUNIAD have a go at them.

Have it your way. Wages in Romania are exactly the same as in the UK. There is no debating with some people.

 

[Vixen]

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