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RecoveringYuppy said:
Trump causes me to fear depression, concentration camps, large scale exile, and loss of, possibly war with, current allies. I've never been afraid of a presidential election in my life. That fear is only tempered by the possibility that he might not have a compliant congress or that he might be merely a figure head and turn the office effectively over to Pence.
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^ The post to which Zig was responding.

I can't speak to depression and I have no idea what large scale exile is, but concentration camps are happening. While we aren't at war with current allies, we (or rather, Trump) certainly have pushed them away and diminished our credibility as a world leader. We did have a compliant congress for two years, but Trump has not been a figure head to Pence.

I'd say RecoveringYuppy was at least almost half-correct, maybe more.
 
Upchurch said:
concentration camps are happening.
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It's nice to think that we live in such a safe and prosperous world that temporarily detaining foreign nationals who have broken US law is what gets compared to Nazi Germany. There obviously aren't any serious problems for hysterical partisans to hyperventilate over.
 
Giz said:
It's nice to think that we live in such a safe and prosperous world that temporarily detaining foreign nationals who have broken US law is what gets compared to Nazi Germany. There obviously aren't any serious problems for hysterical partisans to hyperventilate over.
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Neither of us said anything about Nazi Germany.
 
Upchurch said:
I can't speak to depression and I have no idea what large scale exile is, but concentration camps are happening.
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BTW I meant economic depression. Still very nervous about the economy. Unnecessary (IMO) trade war, attempted interference with the Fed, excessive tax cuts, massive boost in military spending. Lots of ways for things to go south.

He sure didn't become a mere figurehead or change stripes after the election.

ETA: I've been pleasantly surprised that he appears to be resisting hawks like Bolton.
 
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RecoveringYuppy said:
BTW I meant economic depression. Still very nervous about the economy. Unnecessary (IMO) trade war, attempted interference with the Fed, excessive tax cuts, massive boost in military spending. Lots of ways for things to go south.
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Ah. Thanks for the clarification.

What's "large scale exile"? Like, people leaving the country?
 
Giz said:
It's nice to think that we live in such a safe and prosperous world that temporarily detaining foreign nationals who have broken US law is what gets compared to Nazi Germany. There obviously aren't any serious problems for hysterical partisans to hyperventilate over.
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Cool means Anne Frank really was a criminal, can we finally stop pretending that she was some innocent little girl?
 
Can you imagine what this country would be like if we just let people come here with no documentation and just take whatever they wanted without benefiting the society that is already here?
 
Giz said:
It's nice to think that we live in such a safe and prosperous world that temporarily detaining foreign nationals who have broken US law is what gets compared to Nazi Germany. There obviously aren't any serious problems for hysterical partisans to hyperventilate over.
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That's on you. No one mentioned the Nazis. The term is broader than that, and the US had concentration camps back in WWII.
 
2017: "Trump is not going to build concentration camps!'
2018: "Those aren't technically concentration camps!"
2019: "Okay, okay they are concentration camps but not like... Nazi concentration camps!"
2020: "They are totally different. The 'Work Makes You Free' sign over the front gate is in English, not in German."
 
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Giz said:
Really? “Concentration camps” is not a dog whistle?
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It's a goddamn accurate term that doesn't become inaccurate because it makes Trump look bad.

Jesus ******* Christ do we have to wait until the mass shootings start or are we gonna get "Well technically they aren't using Lugers..." for that too?
 
JoeMorgue said:
Jesus ******* Christ do we have to wait until the mass shootings start or are we gonna get "Well technically they aren't using Lugers..." for that too?
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Mass hysteria has infected a supposedly skeptical forum.

Trump isn’t going to order mass shootings. The USA is not in an emergency. This is akin to the right wing nuts who thought Obama was going to turn the USA into a communist dictatorship.
 
JoeMorgue said:
It's a goddamn accurate term that doesn't become inaccurate because it makes Trump look bad.
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It's also about pointing out that this prediction was made several years ago, and was largely accurate, despite being described as entirely irrational.

No, Sorry Trumpers, RecoveringYuppy called this one. Maybe you should stop and think a bit about what other "irrational" predictions you've dismissed out of hand might also come true.
 
Giz said:
Trump isn’t going to order mass shootings.
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Are you thinking of death camps, rather than concentration camps?

Giz said:
The USA is not in an emergency.
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I agree, but Trump is claiming we are and, thus, concentration camps. Therein lies the problem.

Giz said:
This is akin to the right wing nuts who thought Obama was going to turn the USA into a communist dictatorship.
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Except Obama didn't do anything vaguely communist. Can the same thing be said about Trump and fascism?
 
Giz said:
The USA is not in an emergency. This is akin to the right wing nuts who thought Obama was going to turn the USA into a communist dictatorship.
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It's not comparable at all. Obama didn't do or say anything while campaigning or in office that indicated he wanted to turn the USA into a communist dictatorship, unless the listener was either delusional or heavily into conspiracy theories. Trump regularly says things that indicate how much he wishes he could operate like a fascist dictator. Calling journalists enemies of the people, inciting his crowds to violence, threatening to throw his enemies in jail, claiming he's not accountable to the law, trying to shut down investigations into his misconduct, spreading conspiracy theories, constantly making comments about extending his period of rule, etc.

It's all there, and he does it in plain sight. Hell, his base loves him for it. The only thing that's required to see Trump's fascist leanings is to pay attention to what he actually says.
 
Horatius said:
No, Sorry Trumpers, RecoveringYuppy called this one.
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Thanks, but I really don't think I can claim credit. I was expressing what I feared, not what I expected. My expectations at the time were more along the line of what I said in the second half of that post, that Pence would be the real authority.
 
Upchurch said:
Are you thinking of death camps, rather than concentration camps?
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I was responding to JoeMorgue, when he said:
"Jesus ******* Christ do we have to wait until the mass shootings start or are we gonna get "Well technically they aren't using Lugers..." for that too? "


Upchurch said:
I agree, but Trump is claiming we are and, thus, concentration camps. Therein lies the problem.
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I think that the term Concentration Camp is a deliberate attempt to reference Nazism Which is a ridiculous comparison (unless just about every government in the world are Nazis... which seems to devalue the term)

Upchurch said:
Except Obama didn't do anything vaguely communist. Can the same thing be said about Trump and fascism?
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Trump is a morally deplorable wretch. However, he has not done anything to appreciably make the USA fascist or destroy the constitution or democracy.

This is hysteria. The other side won and now you are fantasizing about human rights atrocities and looming descent into fascism. You should take a step back, a deep breath, and intone "I believe in multiparty democracy and that power will change hands backwards and forwards and I will respect that".
 
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