Bradley Manning Pleads Guilty

Skeptic Ginger said:
No, but I do believe this forum has lost its validity. I do hope it's temporary.

It's not about the politics. There has always been divided opinions in the politics forum. But the current trend in this forum is very unskeptical. You can throw all the ad homs my way you want, I'm not phased. This is the worst I've ever seen this forum. And I do hope it is a passing trend.
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There are posters who will reflexively side with authority. There are posters who will reflexively reject the authority. There are posters who even if they may tend to favor the authority or the rebel examine the evidence in each case and come to a conclusion.

That last group will have people coming down on either side from the save evidence. If you believe this forum has lost it's validity simply because the consensus on Manning hasn't gone your way, well, all I can say is that I don't trust the validity of that belief. Oh, I know you're going to argue that it isn't just that, but well, evidence?
 
Fredrik said:
I don't even know what you mean by that.
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It's been several years since wikileaks had all that stuff Manning sent them, don't you think if there was anything incriminating/illegal/shocking there it would have been found by now?

Fredrik said:
They revealed the reasons why each detainee was detained. So we could see that in many cases (even in some cases where the guy was locked up for several years), there was no good reason for it.
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Were they enemy combatants? That's a good enough reason according to pretty much every country on earth. And for years prior to Mannings leaks detainees had been released when it was determined they no longer posed a threat. Mistakingly in some cases, as some returned to the fight after being released.

Fredrik said:
You didn't answer the question of what makes you so sure that he didn't reveal any atrocities. If part of the answer is that "atrocity" means something much more extreme to you, like a massacre, then I would like to change the question: Do you have a reason to think that he didn't reveal any kind of unjustifiable abuse of innocent civilians?
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Maybe he did and nobody has discovered it yet. I think the odds of that are about equal to discovering that Sasquatches are real.
 
WildCat said:
It's been several years since wikileaks had all that stuff Manning sent them, don't you think if there was anything incriminating/illegal/shocking there it would have been found by now?
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The Guantanamo files were all of those things in my opinion. But again, I have no idea if that's part of what Manning sent them.

WildCat said:
Were they enemy combatants? That's a good enough reason according to pretty much every country on earth. And for years prior to Mannings leaks detainees had been released when it was determined they no longer posed a threat. Mistakingly in some cases, as some returned to the fight after being released.
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The ones I have in mind weren't. They were goat herders, taxi drivers etc., and there was no reasonable cause for suspicion. We have discussed this before, you know. That time you didn't have any problem with what was done to these people. Made me wonder what sort of thing you would have a problem with.
 
Fredrik said:
The ones I have in mind weren't. They were goat herders, taxi drivers etc., and there was no reasonable cause for suspicion. We have discussed this before, you know. That time you didn't have any problem with what was done to these people. Made me wonder what sort of thing you would have a problem with.
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Didn't we know some were captured in error prior to the leak? After all, hundreds had been released and were available to talk to the press or anyone else.

Maybe this was shocking news to people who never read the news, but it was a big yawn to those who actually pay attention.
 
WildCat said:
Didn't we know some were captured in error prior to the leak? After all, hundreds had been released and were available to talk to the press or anyone else.

Maybe this was shocking news to people who never read the news, but it was a big yawn to those who actually pay attention.
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Those people are obviously going to say that they're innocent. It's obviously more credible when their files make it clear that there was never a good reason to suspect them.
 
Manger Douse said:
Assange apparently Twittered he would willingly be extradited if Manning was show clemency
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It'll be interesting to see what happens in a few days when Assange's best buddy takes over the Whitehouse, if he'll stop claiming that the US is out to get him and he has to hide, or if he'll actually now go to Sweden if they decide they still want him based on the results of his interview.
 
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