Questioninggeller
Illuminator
- Joined
- May 11, 2002
- Messages
- 3,048
Mycroft said:
I can't see Heston hunting from his home in Beverly Hills either.
Bowling For Michael Moore's Bodyguard
- Thread starter Number Six
- Start date
-
- Tags
- bodyguard michael moore
I can't see Heston hunting from his home in Beverly Hills either.
Just thinking
Philosopher
- Joined
- Jul 18, 2004
- Messages
- 5,169
Silicon said:
Tell me, do you (and any other FOX bashers) have this same opinion of CBS and Dan Rather?
If not, why?
(This is in no way of defense of FOX -- I'm simply curious.)
DavidJames
Penultimate Amazing
Rather and CBS have done thousands of stories over the years and have made a few mistakes causing some to believe they have a bias. Fox shows their bias daily. In the recent case, CBS recognized their error and did something about it. Maybe to little to late for some, but they at least did something. Fox sees no problems.Just thinking said:
Just thinking
Philosopher
- Joined
- Jul 18, 2004
- Messages
- 5,169
DavidJames said:
Dan Rather (and I'm paraphrasing) felt that the content of the Bush memo was more important than the validity. He knew exactly what he was saying and exactly why the story was presented when it aired. (It was clearly an attempt to influence an election -- and enough people saw through it.) CBS only did something after the election. Therefore, you are most certainly right -- I am one of those some believing they (and others) have a bias.
PS: Have you given FOX as much time as it took CBS (and Dan) to make their correction?
Charlie Monoxide
Wag
- Joined
- Jul 8, 2003
- Messages
- 2,760
I sure can. Michael would make a great hunting buddy for Cheney and Scalia.Mycroft said:
Charlie (they can talk about pending court cases) Monoxide
Art Vandelay
Illuminator
- Joined
- May 8, 2004
- Messages
- 4,787
Odd how Moore is allowed to slander all he wants, but when someone objects, they are clearly a homicidal "loonie". Pointing out that someone is a jackass is hardly the same as making a death threat, but I guess one can't expect someone like to be able to tell the difference.The Fool said:
The Central Scrutinizer
Penultimate Amazing
- Joined
- Dec 17, 2001
- Messages
- 53,097
a_unique_person said:
You must be mistaken. According to Shanek 3:16, this sort of thing never happens.
DavidJames
Penultimate Amazing
Your evidence please.Just thinking said:
Rather and CBS screwed up this story, no doubt about it. Sadly, what that allowed people like yourself to do is ignore the claims, claims which the secretary for the person alleged to have written the memo corroborates, and focus instead on the errors.
What happened with Rather and CBS was an embarrassing lack due diligence in corroborating sources. The consequences of which are still being reaped. Similar failures at the highest levels of our government result in the reward of re-election.
The Central Scrutinizer
Penultimate Amazing
- Joined
- Dec 17, 2001
- Messages
- 53,097
Number Six said:
Not ironic at all. Michael Moore was not arrested for carrying an unlicensed gun - his body guard was. Michael Moore and his bodyguard are two different people.
The Central Scrutinizer
Penultimate Amazing
- Joined
- Dec 17, 2001
- Messages
- 53,097
HarryKeogh said:
LOL!
/Quick derail
Anyone remember that show called "Superstars" on ABC back in the 70's? They had athletes from football, baseball, etc... competeing in sports other than there own to see who was the best athlete. I recall at least one year when they invited a bowler, and I recall him running the 100 yard dash against football players who were ripped, and this bowler was a pasty white guy who couldn't have weighed more than 140 lbs and looked like he hadn't been out in the sunshine in years. Needless to say, he didn't do very well....
/End
DavidJames said:
Anyone know if CBS broadcast a correction in their airing of the 50 BMG rifle piece on "60 Minutes"?
Part of the program showed the NYPD comparing the 50 BMG rifle with their 30-caliber sniper rifle. They shot a 1/2" steel plate at 300 yards. The 50 caliber rifle using steel core ammo blew 1/2" holes in the plate, while the 30 caliber rifle using copper jacketed lead bullets merely put a small crater in the steel. No mention was made of the different bullets used in each rifle. The NYPD also did not demonstrate armor-piercing ammunition in the 30-caliber rifle, or copper jacketed ammo in the 50 BMG. The results would have been nearly opposite using steel core ammo in the 30-cal rifle and jacketed lead in the 50-BMG.
I can understand the NYPD's reluctance to rig the demonstration, some of the police in NYC want to ban the 50BMG rifles and will try to pull a fast one to get their point across. Never mind there is no evidence that it will be used by a terrorist in the USA.
CBS should have investigated a bit more to find out how the demonstration was run. Asking what kind of ammo was used would have been a good start. It is also possible they knew of the rigged demonstration, but let it slide to push their own gun control agenda.
A while back CNN was interviewing an NRA official and he exposed their bias in a story comparing a machinegun to a semi-automatic "assault" rifle. CNN tried to deny any bias, but later admitted there were errors in the story.
I am willing to bet that CBS will plead ignorance of any problems with the demonstration they broadcast showing the "awesome" power of the 50-BMG rifle compared to the 30 caliber rifle.
Ranb
Meadmaker
Unregistered
- Joined
- Apr 27, 2004
- Messages
- 29,033
Shinytop said:
Except that Michael Moore isn't strident anti-gun. I saw Bowling for Columbine, expecting to see an anti-gun film. But it wasn't an anti-gun film.
By coincidence, I saw Fahrenheit 9/11 for the first time last week. That movie also has been mischaracterized.
a_unique_person
Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning
Meadmaker said:
It's funny about that. BFC isn't anti-gun. It's certainly not pro-gun, but all he is trying to do is find out what makes the US more violent than other countries of similar cultures.
Chicago, lots of killling, a few miles away in Canada, no killing.
By reducing it to the satus of 'anti-gun', it means that those uncomfortable with the questions it asks can just go on ignoring them. Eg, he seems to claim that racism is alive and well in the US in respect of it's significant African American population, and that this has something to do with the problem.
The numerous documented lies and mis-characterizations in the BFC movie make it a strident anti-gun film while masquerading as a documentary. If merely a study comparing the gun culture of two countries and if it has no agenda why the lies, why the editing to make it appear people are saying things they are not, are saying things at times they are not. No, my learned friends, the truth needs no embellishment, it needs no lies to enhance it. Michael Moore is a horse's ass with no class and no morals. Defend him all you want but explain the need for the lies. I am waiting.
Art Vandelay
Illuminator
- Joined
- May 8, 2004
- Messages
- 4,787
And according to Claus, it always happens.The Central Scrutinizer said:
It's not consistently anti-gun, but Moore does engage in multiple misrepresentations, and what would motivate that other than animus towards guns? And if he is really interested in investigating violence, why is he engaging in deliberate deception?a_unique_person said:
Wow, racism is not completely dead! Race and violence are related! He also spends several minutes discussing the fact that if you want money in this country, you have to (horror of horrors) work! BFC is just filled with trenchant observations! Questions, however, are a different matter. Other than "WTF is his point?" and "Why does anyone respect this lying piece of ****?" BFC doesn't really raise very many questions. And wait a second, isn't suggesting that race has something to do with gun violence verboten? Is it okay for Moore to do so, but not Heston?
a_unique_person
Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning
Shinytop said:
He quite clearly points out the Canadians have plenty of guns, and very little gun crime. He concludes quite clearly that it is not just guns.
Meadmaker
Unregistered
- Joined
- Apr 27, 2004
- Messages
- 29,033
Shinytop said:
If the only worthwhile question in the whole darned world was the pro-gun vs. anti-gun agenda, then maybe you would have a point. Let us grant that there are lies in the movie. (I would easily grant that there are mis-characterizations. I just don't know if I would call them "lies", but for the sake of argument, I will.)
Those lies are told, clearly, for the furtherance of his agenda. But it doesn't follow that his agenda is anti-gun. He very specifically said it was not.
He certainly opposes what might be called "the gun lobby", including the NRA leadership. That isn't the same as being anti-gun. In "Columbine" he expressed the opinion that the rhetoric of the NRA contributed to the culture of violence in America. It was that culture that he opposed.
The real villain in "Columbine" wasn't guns. It was a culture that said, "There is an enemy out there, and you need to arm yourself to protect against it! If you don't, they will get you!" When Heston uses rhetoric about "prying my gun from my cold, dead, hand." he feeds that culture, in Moore's opinion. Interestingly enough, that was pretty much the identical message in "Fahrenheit 9/11"
I don't agree with Moore's message, exactly. But I think he raises some good points while delivering it.
If you don't buy into my explanation, then I'd like to try an experiment. Someone post an example of one of Moore's "lies" in BFC that clearly is anti-gun, and I'll see if I can say what I thought he was really saying, which was not anti-gun.
Just thinking said:
I have called on these boards for Rather's resignation, and not just from the Anchor desk.
But you can't seriously suggest that CBS and Fox are the same thing.
CBS is run by a wealthy media conglomerate with a vested interest in maintaining a status quo in deregulation so they can continue to gobble media assets. In that way, Rather was a particular embarrassment, and it caused Viacom inc to put a significant financial weight behind Bush's re-election campaign.
Fox News, by comparison, isn't run by a news expert or a journalist, but by the political operative who created Bush Sr.'s famous Willie Horton ad.
It's the right's version of having Michael Moore running a news network.
Checkmite
Skepticifimisticalationist
The Fool said:
In my personal experience, the way some people talk about Moore is about the same as the way some other people talk about Bush. Both groups have their occasional valid points.
Sure he gets criticism, even vile criticism. But I think the "constant threat" this guy is under is vastly overstated. His bodyguard and bullet-proof car are nothing more than emotional grandstanding, and they don't fool me. Come on.