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Botched autopsy frees Yurko

Eos of the Eons

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Whole article can be found here
In the Yurko case, Gore blamed himself for mixing up the race of the child. But he blamed miscommunication for describing the heart that was not there.

While dictating autopsy notes in the death of 10-week-old Alan Ream-Yurko, Gore said, he referenced a report from an organ-donation service that described the boy's heart. Gore said the secretary transcribing the tape thought he was describing a heart he had removed from the child.

Describing the child as black was "an error, and I corrected it," he said.

Yurko hopes the mistakes will win him a new trial.
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It did win him a new trial. News says Yurko IS going home.
News Headline

What does Yurko say?

I do admit to an amount of culpable negligence in my son's death," said Yurko, explaining that he allowed the child to receive a series of vaccinations when he knew he was sick.
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The child died weeks after the vaccinations, but Yurko says it was his mistake to trust doctors.

The second trial DOES NOT point to vaccines as a cause of death

"I also find that there is no reliable medical evidence that links the death directly to a vaccine," Lawson said.
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That's okay. Yurko still blames vaccines.

I do expect to see anti-vaccine sites spouting victory.
 
I haven't been able to access another news report of this. I keep hoping it's a joke. Sadly, I think it is no joke.
 
I'll be interested to see what Peter Bowditch (ratbags.com) has to say about this.

Rolfe.
 
I just entered my email into "notify me when this page changes" on his update page. I'm wondering what kind of mail he will get too.
 
Oh, it should be in fine form... we may have to wait a bit as he formulates a response, and lists all the emails.

It will be interesting what happens if Yurko commits another crime... and see if the explanation for that will be the vaccines HE got as a child.

In the mean time... pertussis is making a good comeback:
http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?nid=46&sid=115918
http://www.wstm.com/Global/story.asp?S=2228511
http://www.wsaw.com/home/headlines/972971.html

How many babies will die of pertussis because of the actions of the anti-vaxers? According to this, 17 infants died of pertussis in the year 2000 (pages 4 and 5):
http://www.immunize.org/stories/story47.htm

... will that number double, triple or even worse go up a factor of 10 or more in the next few years?
 
How much does it strengthen there case though? Yurko admited manslaghter and Only escaped murder due to documenting errors
 
[How many babies will die of pertussis because of the actions of the anti-vaxers? According to this, 17 infants died of pertussis in the year 2000 (pages 4 and 5):
http://www.immunize.org/stories/story47.htm

... will that number double, triple or even worse go up a factor of 10 or more in the next few years? [/B]
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A quote from the link you gave

"Despite record high vaccination coverage levels with 3 doses of DTaP among U.S. children aged 19-35 months (3), pertussis continues to cause fatal illness among vulnerable infants. During 1980-1998, the average annual incidence of reported pertussis cases and deaths among U.S. infants increased 50%"

let's look at the first line again -
Despite record high vaccination...
 
Does anyone have info on how long the follows vaccines offer protection for.

perussis, polio, smallpox, hepb, measles, rubella? I have info that comes from an anti-vax source but would like to know what pro-vax source says.
 
Barbrae said:
A quote from the link you gave

"Despite record high vaccination coverage levels with 3 doses of DTaP among U.S. children aged 19-35 months (3), pertussis continues to cause fatal illness among vulnerable infants. During 1980-1998, the average annual incidence of reported pertussis cases and deaths among U.S. infants increased 50%"

let's look at the first line again -
Despite record high vaccination...
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Apparently you missed the "DTaP" part, Barbrae, or don't know the history. The "aP" is shorthand for "acellular Pertussis" vaccine. Acellular forms of the vaccine were developed in response to anti-vax fears. The anti-vax credophiles faulted the "whole cell" pertussis vaccine, claiming that it somehow caused massive problems. In that atmosphere, scientists responded by developing aP.

But here is where the problem comes in. The aP vaccines generally focus on about three different components of Pertussis infection, and this set up an evolutionary cycle in which Pertussis strains are developing that lack or disguise these components.

And people wonder where the harm is in allowing irrational belief systems to persist.
 
Barbrae said:
A quote from the link you gave

"Despite record high vaccination coverage levels with 3 doses of DTaP among U.S. children aged 19-35 months (3), pertussis continues to cause fatal illness among vulnerable infants. During 1980-1998, the average annual incidence of reported pertussis cases and deaths among U.S. infants increased 50%"

let's look at the first line again -
Despite record high vaccination...
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Vulnerable, meaning unvaccinated or undervacaccinated. Go figure. Pertussis kills unvaccinated and undervaccinated children. What is your point??

The increased morbidity and mortality occurred primarily among infants aged <4 months, who were too young to have received the recommended three DTaP vaccinations at ages 2, 4, and 6 months
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Another reason herd immunity is so important.

Not vaccinating KILLS the vulnerable children too young to have had all three shots.

So, what is your point? I would imagine it is that although many children are vaccinated, it is still not enough to have the herd immunity required to protect the vulnerable. Therefore the anti-vaccine people need to get a clue and stop causing death by leaving open pockets of unvaccinated children to spread the disease to the most vulnerable.
 
Eos of the Eons said:
Vulnerable, meaning unvaccinated or undervacaccinated. Go figure. Pertussis kills unvaccinated and undervaccinated children. What is your point??



Another reason herd immunity is so important.

Not vaccinating KILLS the vulnerable children too young to have had all three shots.

So, what is your point? I would imagine it is that although many children are vaccinated, it is still not enough to have the herd immunity required to protect the vulnerable. Therefore the anti-vaccine people need to get a clue and stop causing death by leaving open pockets of unvaccinated children to spread the disease to the most vulnerable.
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Thanks for covering this part of the picture, Eos. I had neglected to.
 
Well, your point in how vaccines have to be changed in order to humor anti-vaccine scaremongers is valid. The parents won't use the vaccine unless they are changed, so in order to protect the children by getting the parents to accept them, they do change them.

Some changes would have been done anyway. There is no smallpox, so the smallpox vaccine is no longer required.

Polio has been eradicated from some areas, so the live version is no longer used.

But some of the changes were unnecessary, and if that leads to less effective coverage, then the anti-vaccine crowd has some nerve to harp on effectiveness when they were the ones calling for the less effective vaccine due to unfounded fears.

The person who quoted the article took it out of context, so it was easy to miss that. It did annoy me enough to make sure, and lo and behold, the context is changed when snipping things out. Go figure.

I would hope this was unintentional.
 
Okay - I found this

"Almost all adults and teens are susceptible. Most infants are protected after the first 3 doses of vaccine, but this protection begins to disappear when they are toddlers. After the 4th immunization at 18 months old, 80 percent are protected for the next 3 to 4 years. The 5th dose, at kindergarten entry, protects them for another few years. "

Now assuming this is correct (from DrGreene) then older kids, teens and adults are not at all protected for pertussis. If that is the case, isn't it more likely that the above listed posses a serious risk for infants, a much more serious risk than a handful of non-vaccinated kids? I mean if all adults, (a study in 2001 showed that 19.9% of coughs in adults were from the pertussis virus- I'll try to locate that study to post) and all teens and most older kids are not protected for it then surely they are far more dangerous for an infant to have contact with. Now, if we want herd immunity - true herd immunity, why don't we booster older kids, adults, etc?

Before anyone treats me like the anti vax enemy please don't. I am seriously asking and bringing up what I believe to be a valid point. Bill seems unable to discuss with me about anything with any kind of civillity because I am an evil homeopath but I'd like to hear Eos points about this. Just to let ya know - my gals were vaccinated for whooping cough.
 
Okay - according to glaxosmithkline - protection from pertussis is gone by the age of 12. Over 90%of fatalities from pertussis occur in infants under 6 months and the bulk of other fatalities ocur under age 2 - so why do we bother with boosters over age 2? If the answer is herd immunity why do we stop when protection disipates by age 12 (can be much younger in some children)?
 
Here is another question. If a female contracted wild pertussis and developed immunity to it - then had a child and breastfed - would the child be protected with the mothers antibodies while she is being soley nursed?
 
Barbrae said:
Here is another question. If a female contracted wild pertussis and developed immunity to it - then had a child and breastfed - would the child be protected with the mothers antibodies while she is being soley nursed?
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Possibly not.

Breastfeeding does automatically confer immunity to babies.

Not whooping cough (which I was vaccinated for many decades ago)... but chicken pox.

I vividly remember getting chicken pox when I was about 7 years old. When my daughter was 6 months olds and still being breastfed... she got chicken pox from one of her older brothers.
 
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