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Merged Boston Marathon CTs

Clayton Moore said:
I saw the picture of Jeff Bauman on the ground untended. I don't get that someone would chance picking up and putting him in a wheel chair.
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What you are doing there is taking an isolated fragment in time and assuming it represents the entirety of events. In other words you see a picture of him on the ground 'untended' and assume that he was always 'untended'.

It does not seem to occur to you that he was tended for some until he was considered stable enough to move. He was moved using the best available transport.

He is currently in hospital in Boston, where you are free to visit him and call him a liar any time you like.
 
Clayton, how did Jeff Bauman Jr grow back his thighs and his knees at some time between 2011 and 2013?
 
Clayton Moore said:
That made no sense.

I said


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Made perfect sense. You propose that witnesses would simply stand at the scene watching a man die slowly, rather than apply rough tourniquets, chuck the victim in the handiest available transport and get the victim to proper care.

There are an abundance of wheelchairs made ready at the end of a marathon as a matter of course.

I get the impression from your posts, that had you been there, on scene, a witness, you would have spit on him as he bled to death. Correct me if I am wrong.
 
spin0 said:
Misha appears to be inconsequential to the events.
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I'm not sure of that we do have AP reporting that, "Two U.S. officials close to the investigation say the FBI...found no ties to the attack or terrorism in general." But even if that's true it doesn't mean he had no role in Tamerlan's move to radical Islam. He of course denies that, but what do you expect?

Perhaps there were links with these guys: Boston bombs: the Canadian boxer and the terror recruiter who 'led Tsarnaev on path to jihad'
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Thanks for that.
 
eppursimuove said:
This logical fallacy is called a loaded question. Conspiracy Theorists use this ALL the time... "Aside from being an informal fallacy depending on usage, such questions may be used as a rhetorical tool: the question attempts to limit direct replies to be those that serve the questioner's agenda." It is manipulative, even EVIL! :demad:
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I'd say it's closer to the fallacy begging the question. But CM does tend to cover all the fallacies throughout his posts. ;)
 
Clayton Moore said:
I saw the picture of Jeff Bauman on the ground untended. I don't get that someone would chance picking up and putting him in a wheel chair.
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To be clear, is your problem that they moved him in a wheel chair or that they moved him period? What course of action, if taken with regards to Jeff Bauman's injuries, would not have lead you to "just ask questions?"
 
My impression from the photos and videos was that initially people tended to whoever happened to be closest to them perhaps figuring that with so many wounded so quickly you might as well just start with whatever person happens to be on hand. Jeff, being right near the center of the blast, was untended for maybe a minute or two until someone worked their way to him.

At that point even I, with my limited Boy Scouts first aid knowledge, would know that what you do with someone with shredded legs is 1) stop the bleeding and 2) get them to an ER as quickly as possible! If you are lucky enough to have a stretcher on hand you use it. If you have a wheelchair instead you use that. If you have nothing you make a stretcher out of a bit of portable fence or whatever is around. Failing that you pick the damned person up and carry them.
 
Travis said:
My impression from the photos and videos was that initially people tended to whoever happened to be closest to them perhaps figuring that with so many wounded so quickly you might as well just start with whatever person happens to be on hand. Jeff, being right near the center of the blast, was untended for maybe a minute or two until someone worked their way to him.

At that point even I, with my limited Boy Scouts first aid knowledge, would know that what you do with someone with shredded legs is 1) stop the bleeding and 2) get them to an ER as quickly as possible! If you are lucky enough to have a stretcher on hand you use it. If you have a wheelchair instead you use that. If you have nothing you make a stretcher out of a bit of portable fence or whatever is around. Failing that you pick the damned person up and carry them.
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I was thinking the exact same thing, Travis, especially with some of our armed forces happening to be there. If they didn't have a stretcher, or a wheelchair, I would even bet they'd skip trying to fabricate something. They'd just pick him up and run like hell to whoever could help.

I figured the CT's would slow down now that the 19 year old admitted to everything. I don't understand why they would setup a protest to defend someone that openly stated he was involved.
 
abaddon said:
Sez to me that CM, had he been there, would be quite happy to watch you or me bleed out with his hands in his pockets.
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He seems to think that using a wheel chair is the real threat to life once someone's legs are blown off.:rolleyes:

As if you would stand around worrying about the possible harm a wheel chair could cause.

I learned to carry injured people by forming a cradle with the arms of another and placing the injured person into that cradle between us. The only situation I know of that requires a board is a neck or spine injury.

Can someone explain why a wheel chair would not be used?
 
Biscuit said:
He seems to think that using a wheel chair is the real threat to life once someone's legs are blown off.:rolleyes:

As if you would stand around worrying about the possible harm a wheel chair could cause.

I learned to carry injured people by forming a cradle with the arms of another and placing the injured person into that cradle between us. The only situation I know of that requires a board is a neck or spine injury.

Can someone explain why a wheel chair would not be used?
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Because the CM persona automatically views any actual action as suspicious. He was put into a wheelchair to assist in transportation? Suspicious! Had he not been moved but rather treated on the spot and medical people flagged down? Suspicious! No one around to help and he bled out on the street? Suspicious!

The game isn't finding out the truth, the game is pointing at the truth and shouting "SUSPICIOUS!!!!!!!"
 
TheRedWorm said:
Because the CM persona automatically views any actual action as suspicious. He was put into a wheelchair to assist in transportation? Suspicious! Had he not been moved but rather treated on the spot and medical people flagged down? Suspicious! No one around to help and he bled out on the street? Suspicious!

The game isn't finding out the truth, the game is pointing at the truth and shouting "SUSPICIOUS!!!!!!!"
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I don't know. There is something not quite right about your response....





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