Merged Boston Marathon CTs

[Travis]

This is disgusting, but typical conspiracy theorist dehumanzation of the victims

*warning, VERY GRAPHIC images*

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternativ...-was-an-actor-at-boston-bombings-2626684.html

The comments left by conspiracy theorists at the end are equally vile

This insane page suggests that "These are actors. This is staged. It was flash powder. There was no crock pot nail bomb. There are no bombers, only patsy. If your looking for a gunman look at the Army in the streets of Boston. Share this knowledge with everyone."





This event was VERY real, and scores of people were ;left amputees by the bombs- The woman in the blue shirt laying by the fence was the victim who was buried yesterday-

This tendency to downplay the suffering of others, and to show a callous indifference to the anguish of victims and their families is a very common tendency i have seen among conspiracy theorists.

9/11 Truther 'no planers' dehumanize the passengers and crew who were murdered on the planes by denying they even existed. They call the mourning families liars. They even suggest real people did not fall from the towers.

The Sandy Hook shooting deniers insist the traumatized teachers who survived were putting on an act-

Now the Boston marathon bombing conspiracy theorists accuse the victims of being actors.

*WHY* do conspiracy theorists continue to dehumanize the victims of these violent acts?

There were scores of eye witnesses to the carnage that was caused by the bombings in Boston- do the CTs have evidence to back their claims it was all fake?
Do they care at all about the suffering of the victims?

I think many conspiracy theorists are full fledged sociopaths- many of them lack the ability to feel any empathy or compassion, and many C.T's appear to suffer from mental illness-hence their total detachment from reality, overwelming pananoia and delusions of persecution-But is there more to it? I'm just trying to understand how it is they can dismiss the anguish of others with such ease

Though they won't admit it what this really comes down to is they know that engaging in the casual deconstruction they usually do is callous if there are victims.

Therefore their psyche has constructed a "no victim" scenario.

That is some seriously warped logic going on there. From the comments,



Some people have no idea what they are talking about. People in shock don't flay about screaming. No matter how the victims and responders behaved it would suspicious to these people.

Too much blood, not enough blood! Where are the toes!!!??? That an EMT can, from several still images diagnose injuries fake or real is beyond belief.

Yes, it seems strange they don't understand that going into shock is what prevents someone from screaming and wailing.

 

[pakeha]

If you never read the Protocols of the Elders of Zion take the time to read it and you'll be amazed that they have been followed to a T.

Better to spend your time reading Umberto Eco's brilliant novel The Prague Cemetery

As for the Protocols,
"The Protocols of the Elders of Zion or The Protocols of the Meetings of the Learned Elders of Zion is an antisemitic hoax purporting to describe a Jewish plan for global domination. It was first published in Russia in 1903, translated into multiple languages, and disseminated internationally in the early part of the 20th century. ..."

 

[NeilC]

Names are not respelled and misspelled, not with computers. Paperwork is required to "respell a name."

So you say but somehow my 6 year old daughter's name was misspelled on her Easyjet flight boarding pass. They run a paperless system. It didn't match the spelling in her passport. Nobody but me noticed. Flights and holiday went as normal. I'm almost completely sure the CIA didn't have a hand in it.

 

[Lenbrazil]

One more question, why weren't K-9 units used to find Jahar after the shootout? Or for some reason were they unable to follow his secent?

 

[Boot2TheHead]

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[squealpiggy]

One more question, why weren't K-9 units used to find Jahar after the shootout? Or for some reason were they unable to follow his secent?

Because this isn't the movies K9 don't actually follow a specific scent in most cases. What they track is human scent, any human scent. There are a number of factors to consider including weather, temperature, amount of time that passed, area covered and other pedestrian traffic. Using K9 to track a heavily traveled urban area is pointless, too many scents. Using K9 to track when you don't have an indication of roughly where the guy may have gone is also problematic. If they lose the track this could be for any number of reasons, could be the target crossed some different ground and this eroded the track, could be that he crossed into a traveled area, could be he got in a car and drove off. They're dogs, not gods.

K9 was used to track him, it didn't work out.

 

[Unabogie]

For Clayton:

http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/15895-random-notes-from-the-police-state

The comments are just atrocious.

William Rivers Pitt is nobody's idea of a corporate shill, yet these guys are treating him like he's Lanny Davis.

And while Mr. William Rivers Pitt and his neighbors and the local businesses may have been open that was not the way the Boston situation was portrayed on the MSM. The MSM portrayed Boston as completely shut down. This was conditioning for those watching.

Just jaw dropping.

It's basically saying "even though it wasn't actually a police lock down, the fact that the news made it sound to ME and my friends on TWITTER that it was just goes to prove that the media are IN ON IT"

The fact that the media played it up for ratings is proof that the media is conditioning us for martial law even though martial law didn't actually happen and people were free to go about their lives.

 

[NoahFence]

The comments are just atrocious.

William Rivers Pitt is nobody's idea of a corporate shill, yet these guys are treating him like he's Lanny Davis.



Just jaw dropping.

It's basically saying "even though it wasn't actually a police lock down, the fact that the news made it sound to ME and my friends on TWITTER that it was just goes to prove that the media are IN ON IT"

The fact that the media played it up for ratings is proof that the media is conditioning us for martial law even though martial law didn't actually happen and people were free to go about their lives.

Conspriacy theorists are just plain idiots. There's no other way to describe them. Idiots.

 

[Elizabeth I]

That it is all a ploy to take infowars down, and that anyone who disagrees with the CT narrative is a paid shill. Also, they seem to believe it means it means Alex was right about everything, and the mainstream media is on the verge of collapse.

Also, since Alex never mentions the Protocols, they are somehow not involved in promoting self-radicalization through the internet. Oh, and there are supposed drones circling around Infowars HQ.

Something interesting that will no doubt have the conspiracists screaming into their monitors sometime soon: our local newspaper is using drone cameras to take aerial photos of events.

If you never read the Protocols of the Elders of Zion take the time to read it and you'll be amazed that they have been followed to a T.

What, a 19th-century political satire on the government of Napoleon III? I can't even imagine how you would follow it "to a T."

The question tells me it was difficult for you to understand my post - and it is very difficult for you to even try and understand their minds.

The sentence was constructed to attempt to show that in their minds, where there was no attack and no victims, there would be no reason for them to display the empathy you are criticizing them for lacking.

My point is that if they were able to see that an attack actually happened, with legitimate victims, that they would display the amount of empathy we would deem sufficient to avoid our castigation.

Since we are living in two worlds with different sets of facts they can appear "insane" (certainly) and like "scum", but this is a product of the two different worlds with different sets of facts, NOT a product of them actually feeling conscious evil.

But - maybe this is such an emotional issue for you that you can't help but resort to slurs which hey, are totally an understandable reaction, but its more of an emotional one, and not one which I think gets us any closer to understanding what makes them tick.

I doubt that very many people who do evil things "actually [feel] conscious evil," but that doesn't eliminate the point that they are, in fact, evil.

 

[Lenbrazil]

Because this isn't the movies K9 don't actually follow a specific scent in most cases. What they track is human scent, any human scent.

Are you sure? From Wikipedia citing 2 books (unfortunately not available online) "The bloodhound is generally used to follow the individual scent of a fugitive or lost person, taking the scent from a ‘scent article’ – something the quarry is known to have touched, which could be an item of clothing, a car seat, an identified footprint etc.[44][25]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloodhound#Human_Trailing

There are a number of factors to consider including weather, temperature, amount of time that passed, area covered and other pedestrian traffic.

Depending on where they were K-9 units could have been deployed in minutes, someone on foot in an area he didn't know and possibly injured could not have gotten too far. IIRC the weather was clear, it wasn't raining and early spring in New England should not have been especially hot or cold. How far was he found from the car?

Using K9 to track a heavily traveled urban area is pointless, too many scents. Using K9 to track when you don't have an indication of roughly where the guy may have gone is also problematic. If they lose the track this could be for any number of reasons, could be the target crossed some different ground and this eroded the track, could be that he crossed into a traveled area,

This makes sense

could be he got in a car and drove off.

He ditched the SUV, does anyone know how far that was from where he was found?

They're dogs, not gods.

Yeah right, tell that to David Berkowitz.

 

[Lenbrazil]

Originally Posted by Lenbrazil
The Tsarnaev brothers seem to have had two cars, a 1999 green Honda Civic and a 1967 white Mercedes-Benz station wagon. Jahar nervously picked up the later from an auto body shop the day after the bombings but they only seem to have used the newer car. Has anyone seen any reports about happened to the Mercedes? If they just dumped it why did Jahar make such a point of getting it back?

I can't answer this question with any hint of certainty, but here's a possibility.

Dhzokhar returned to Dartmouth Wednesday and stayed there overnight. That's about an hour or so from Cambridge. Perhaps they thought it was essential he go back to school for the appearance of normalcy, and hence needed a second car.

I don't think that was it, a dorm-mate said Jahar offered him a ride home in the Honda on Wednesday.

Just a wild-assed guess, as I said. Pay it no serious mind.

LOL that reminds me of my alltime favorite witness statement. The subject was a resident of the flophouse MLK Jr. was shot from, “Harold Carter, white, 53, 422 1/2 So. Main, Apt. 9, on the south side, stated that he is unemployed and that he was crazy and not to pay any attention to what he said”.

 

[DGM]

My middle initial is wrong on my passport. Odd it is the letter next to the real one on the keyboard.

 

[plague311]

I doubt that very many people who do evil things "actually [feel] conscious evil," but that doesn't eliminate the point that they are, in fact, evil.

This x100. People who are doing evil things never think that they are actually evil, it's their actions that make them evil. If you watch the "ID" channel on cable, it's full of shows about people who kill. They've always justified it to themselves so it doesn't seem evil to them.

The fact that CTists think that no one died, they trivialize the lives of others, degrade them, call them actors, and make them complicit in these horrendous. Those actions make them scum. I don't care how anyone tries to explain it, they are evil.

 

[Biscuit]

If you never read the Protocols of the Elders of Zion take the time to read it and you'll be amazed that they have been followed to a T.

Don't you mean to a "t" lower case? Like the cross they assassinated Jesus on.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Don't you mean to a "t" lower case? Like the cross they assassinated Jesus on.

Never crossed my mind.

 

[Biscuit]

http://www.boston.com/news/local/ma...s-radical/PcWEwG3XtsXlxinV2lFAzN/story-1.html


Tamerlan took an interest in Infowars, a conspiracy theory website. Khozhugov said Tamerlan was interested in finding a copy of the book ‘‘The Protocols of the Elders of Zion,’’ the classic anti-Semitic hoax, first published in Russia in 1903, that claims a Jewish plot to take over the world.

He turned to websites and literature claiming that the CIA was behind the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and Jews controlled the world.


Wonder if the hundreds of commenters threatening and calling for violence towards public officials on Infowars are just one step short of turning into another Tamerlan?

That's so weird because you would think a radicalized Muslim bent on Jihad would want to give credit for 9/11 to his brothers in arms. As always little in the CTers mind actually makes sense.

I don't understand his beef with the U.S. if 9/11 was an inside job. "You framed my religion for blowing up the twin towers! I'll teach you a lesson and blow something up for real!" He must have realized that infowars would give credit to the CIA for his own bombings, how twisted and tortured.

 

[Biscuit]

Never crossed my mind.

Glad I could hammer that home for you.

 

[Praktik]

I doubt that very many people who do evil things "actually [feel] conscious evil," but that doesn't eliminate the point that they are, in fact, evil.

Good then we agree. My main point is that our emotional reactions will sometimes cause us to ascribe more consciously negative motivations on the part of our antagonists. Hate the sin not the sinner, amirite?

It might be a small distinction sometimes - I am more of an outcomes-based value judger myself so am open to judging more by the outcomes rather than the intentions on wide variety of topics (whether we are talking about Iraq War II or CTers poisoning our atmosphere with an anti-rationality toxin or economic policy).

I do think it is important for me to keep my judgement of the individual separate from the outcomes - because if I truly don't like the outcomes, then focusing on the individual in front of me won't do much except maybe help vent some emotional frustration. Focusing on the systemic factors that induce many more individuals to act that way I hate will be more fruitful.

As such I would rather understand the particular faults in logic in the thinking of why the Iraq war would be such a great idea, than spend my time thinking about how little Bush cares for dead Iraqi children. At the end of the day Bush probably is a very loving person and would recoil if he could even understand a tenth of what his administration unleashed on a far corner of the world. The problem isn't Bush, or Cheney, these guys have rationalized all their decisions such they can't even appreciate those horrible costs - the problem is the factory that makes those particular models of leader is set to make more people who rationalize a lot of the same assumptions and would be prone to making similar stupid decisions.

Same with CT theory - I could spend my time thinking about how maybe CTer X is a particularly low form of human life. Or I can spend my time thinking about the vectors that get people to think that way and work against those vectors. Focusing too much on why I dislike them maybe even prevents me from understanding those vectors at all - if these people are motivated by mere "insanity" or "anti-americanism" or _____ - then maybe there is nothing we can do to overcome CT theory and there is nothing we can do to make less of them.

If the vector to CT woo is some broadly stated "insanity" or "hatred" - then aren't we really chafing against human nature and we should all just go home?

 

[Clayton Moore]

That's so weird because you would think a radicalized Muslim bent on Jihad would want to give credit for 9/11 to his brothers in arms. As always little in the CTers mind actually makes sense.

I don't understand his beef with the U.S. if 9/11 was an inside job. "You framed my religion for blowing up the twin towers! I'll teach you a lesson and blow something up for real!" He must have realized that infowars would give credit to the CIA for his own bombings, how twisted and tortured.

Could be the million plus Muslims killed as the result of the 9/11 inside job turned him off.

I am not justifying what they did in any way.

 

[ripsaw_22]

I got into a brief argument with a friend of a friend on facebook (where this sort of thing invariably crops in larger quantities than anywhere else i regularly visit).

He was commenting on a site a friend had posted about Jeff Bauman Jr, the poor guy who's horrific photos we've seen being evacuated after losing both his legs.

He quickly started rambling all sorts of non-sequiturs at me such as

"if you take into account america have put in for more controls on guns then you can see the motives behind it."

and

"you just have to look at the fact the guy 'with his legs blown off' was a gulf war veteran who lost his legs 2 years prior to know that its all a big show..."

and

"you only have to have an ounce of common sense to know he would have bled out from his wounds within 1-2 minutes of the blast."

(ahhh...the old 'common sense' argument..)

I quickly pointed out to him that he was in one sentence saying Jeff is actually another double amputee from war injuries, and in the next that it's impossible for him to survive a double amputation...effectively saying surviving those injuries is both possible and impossible, and defeating his own argument.

I will never understand these people.