Boston Globe peddling AGW "Truth"

31,478 Scientists Reject 'Global Warming' Agenda

Out of that, the number of scientists who are active in research, is what? Your response to macdoc's didn't quite meet the standard, so to speak...

As you know, PT, it's not (only) the numbers and letters in front of a persons name that count...
 
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Name three.

Pieser himself has withdrawn his argument because only one of the papers actuly supports his position.
Only [a] few abstracts explicitly reject or doubt the AGW (anthropogenic global warming) consensus which is why I have publicly withdrawn this point of my critique.

— Email from Benny Peiser to Media Watch​


And when we pressed him to provide the names of the articles, he eventually conceded - there was only one.

(Ad Hoc Committee on Global Climate Issues: Annual report, by Gerhard LC and Hanson BM, AAPG Bulletin 84 (4): 466-471 Apr 2000)

So it turns out that they only paper on that list that actuly challange the consensus was published in by the American Association of Petrolium Geoligists. Not exactly a valid source for peer reviewed papers on climate change
 
Of course there is no attempt to mask any truth about AGW being a hoax by anybody.

Virtually everybody I know in media, and I know thousands of people in radio and print and online media, devoutly wishes that AGW were not true, hopes it is disproved, or prays it will be solved. They are all thoroughly distressed by what they read in the science literature, and try to portray that in as neutral a way as possible, except that many have to blunt that message because of media owners who are not AGW believers and who will not look kindly on a strong AGW story.

In other words, if there is a bias, it is a very slight bias against the science and towards Denialism.

Given that, the fact that this is the pitiful best these ignoramuses (excluding present company, of course) can do is simply hilarious. It would be true high comedy on the scale of flat-earthers if the stakes were not so dire.
 
... So it turns out that they only paper on that list that actuly challange the consensus was published in by the American Association of Petrolium Geoligists. Not exactly a valid source for peer reviewed papers on climate change

Well, I submit it might be valid, but the editorial policy might be biased in favor of Petroleum Engineers keeping their jobs... Point is you just can't tell.
 
Er, my Peiser quote comes from ABC. Yours comes from a site called staff.livjm. :D (I point this out for comedy purposes. I don't actually give a rat's ass about Peiser.)

It’s worth noting that in this case ABC = Australian Broadcast Corporation. Otherwise you are absolutely correct. With so many papers that were actually good enough to get published why are we wasting time on Pieser’s unpublished paper?

http://www.sciencedaily.com/news/earth_climate/climate/
 
themusicteacher said:
The current list of petition signers includes 9,029 PhD; 7,153 MS; 2,585 MD and DVM; and 12,711 BS or equivalent academic degrees. Most of the MD and DVM signers also have underlying degrees in basic science.
3,803 Atmosphere, Earth, & Environment Scientists
2,964 Biochemistry, Biology, & Agriculture Scientists
4,818 Chemistry Scientists ect...


themusicteacher said:
Clear enough...
Not at all. Position statements released by board members in no way reflect the opinion of the membership. Please show me the poll of members in support of those statements.

The AGU board only consists of 27 Members.

lomiller said:
So it turns out that they only paper on that list that actuly challange the consensus...
Did Oreskes use the search term "Climate Change" or "Global Climate Change"?

Because the fact is papers exist disputing AGW but not all of them if you use selective search terms. Oreskes clearly tried to imply "no disenting papers existed", when this is the farthest from the truth.
 
"Climate Change" or "Global Climate Change"?


Please explain why you think there is a meaningful difference. Keeping in mind that it's global climate change that people are worried about.
 
She correctly used the term global climate change. Now, hat makes you believe this invalidates the results. Feel free to go into detail, no hand waving allowed.
 
Pieser himself has withdrawn his argument because only one of the papers actuly supports his position.
Not true.

You know, when I see people go to lengths like this to distort and misrepresent the facts of the case, I know they're not engaging in an objective search for the truth.

It is demonstrably false to claim that only one of the 34 papers actually supports his position.

The correct claim is that only one of the 34 papers is listed in the abstract as an "article".

So it turns out that they only paper on that list that actuly challange the consensus was published in by the American Association of Petrolium Geoligists. Not exactly a valid source for peer reviewed papers on climate change
That's the article.

Other papers on the list which "actuly challange the consensus" include:

Review and Impacts of Climate-change Uncertainties
Fernau ME, Makofske WJ, South DW
Futures 25 (8): 850-863 Oct 1993
More and better measurements and statistical techniques are needed to detect and confirm the existence of greenhouse-gas-induced climate change, which currently cannot be distinguished from natural climate variability in the historical record.


High-Latitude Oceanic Variability Associated with the 18.6-year Nodal Tide
Royer TC
Journal of Geophysical Research-Oceans 98 (C3): 4639-4644 Mar 15 1993
The water column temperature variations presented here are the first evidence that the upper ocean is responding to this very long period tidal forcing. An enhanced high-latitude response to the 18.6-year forcing is predicted by equilibrium tide theory, and it should be most evident at latitudes poleward of about 50-degrees. These low-frequency ocean-atmosphere variations must - be considered in high-latitude assessments of global climate change, since they are of the same magnitude as many of the predicted global changes.


Atmospheric Greenhouse-Effect in the Context of Global Climate-Change
Kondratyev KY, Varotsos C
Nuovo Cimento Della Societa Italiana di Fisica C-Geophysics and Space Physics 18 (2): 123-151 Mar-Apr 1995
Great interest in the problem of the atmospheric greenhouse effect (not only in scientific publications, but also in mass media), on the one hand, and the undoubtfully overemphasised contribution of the greenhouse effect to the global climate change, on the other hand, motivate a necessity to analyse the role which the greenhouse effect plays as a factor of climate change.


The evolution of an energy contrarian
Linden HR
Annual Review of Energy and the Environment 21: 31-67 1996
Today, proponents of catastrophic anthropogenic climate change, again claiming scientific consensus, threaten to create even greater energy market distortions at large social and economic costs. The author traces his conversion to energy contrarian to the general failure of consensus and to his own misjudgments in these critical policy areas.


The suitability of montane ecotones as indicators of global climatic change
Kupfer JA, Cairns DM
Progress in Physical Geography 20 (3): 253-272 Sep 1996
Because of the difficulties involved with separating natural fluctuations in climatic variables from possible directional changes related to human activities (e.g., heightened atmospheric CO2 concentrations related to fossil fuel consumption), some researchers have focused on developing alternative indicators to detect hypothesized climate changes.

I'm not going to take the time to list each of the abstracts in that list which support Peiser's position, but I've satisfied myself that it's false to claim that "only one" does, or that most do not.

And claiming that Peiser himself has withdrawn his argument is misleading as well. He's modified it, to acknowledge that Oreskes' original study filtered out anything which wasn't listed in the abstract as an "article," while his own results did not include such a filter. Peiser still lists all the abstracts on his website, and I have not seen Oreskes' response to his claim that only 13 of the 900+ articles she analyzed "explicitly endorse what she has called the 'consensus view'".
 
Bokonon, I note that you reference to E&E which is basically a conspiracy theory newsletter published from a guys basement, not exactly a good start.

The other transcripts utterly fail to support your point. They talk about things like how to get better measurements of climate change, which is hardly required if there is no climate change…
 
Other papers on the list which "actuly challange the consensus" include ...
1993...
1993...
1995...
1996...
1996
Sixteen years is a heck of a long time in this field. I take it you were working from a list that was in date sequence?
 
Sixteen years is a heck of a long time in this field. I take it you were working from a list that was in date sequence?


The age actually meshes quite well with the fact they are mostly calls for better measurements and techniques. exploration of better techniques is not a challenge to the underlying theory but an endorsement of it's significance In this case the better techniques are in and the results strengthen not weaken the case for AGW.
 
Bokonon, I note that you reference to E&E which is basically a conspiracy theory newsletter published from a guys basement, not exactly a good start.
I am not familiar with any of these publications, so I'll take your word for it.

The fact is, this publication was included in the abstracts, and its presence there undermines Oreskes' claim that an examination of those abstracts produced NO (zip, zilch, nada, zero) results which didn't support the consensus.

The other transcripts utterly fail to support your point. They talk about things like how to get better measurements of climate change, which is hardly required if there is no climate change…
See, this is the other deception which you and the folks at http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2005/05/peiser.php (where I found the 34 abstracts) engage in. You pull this little sleight of hand, and twist Peiser's position into a claim that "there is no climate change," when that wasn't (and isn't) his position at all.

The consensus Oreskes claims is for ANTHROPOGENIC climate change -- for HUMAN MODIFICATION of climate. That is the consensus which Peiser has found references to undermine. Simple climate change is not something that he denies -- the question is, to what extent are those changes being caused by human activity.

When someone publishes a paper that says observed climate change "cannot be distinguished from natural climate variability in the historical record," that paper is NOT endorsing the idea that human activity is the cause of it.
 

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