Book burning in Tennessee

Upchurch said:
Again, context. This is two pages out the entire book.
Originally Posted by Ranb View Post
I read it, I would save it for 14 and older.
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Okay, that’s still middle school.
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That depends. Some middle schools are grades 6-8, others are 7-9. Most 9th graders are 14-15. My high school was grades 9-12.
 
Stacyhs said:
That depends. Some middle schools are grades 6-8, others are 7-9. Most 9th graders are 14-15. My high school was grades 9-12.
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Most middle schools or junior highs go to 8th grade. That’s 13-14 years old. That’s still includes middle school. And 14 is just Ranb’s opinion. I don’t necessarily agree.

Moreover, kids in both my kids’ classes were dealing with gender identity questions/decisions in grade school, which is the actual focus of this book. I say it’s appropriate for middle schoolers because that’s when people are generally starting to figure out sexual identity. Some sooner, some later. I think this particular book ought to be available in middle school libraries because, hopefully, those kids who need, or just curious about it’s perspective, will seek it out.

If anyone is worried about it giving kids ideas about sex, (1) they haven’t read the book and (2) kids have much more efficient options available.
 
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ponderingturtle said:
Nope 13-14 is freshman in high school
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9th grade usually 14-15 in these parts, unless you were advanced a grade or held back. A 13 year old freshman would be graduating at 16. our graduates were almost all 18, except for the younger ones who were still 17.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Nope 13-14 is freshman in high school
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You are high. My son is 13 and one of the older kids in his grade. He's in 7th grade.

ETA: Unless you mean junior high school, which is still equivalent to middle school and definitely not high school.
 
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Someone showed up to the book burning and tossed a book into the flames to cheers. He then loudly announced that it had been a Bible, while he was keeping his copies of "The Origin of Species" and "Fahrenheit 451", followed by shouting praises to Satan just to really piss them off.
 
Upchurch said:
You are high. My son is 13 and one of the older kids in his grade. He's in 7th grade.

ETA: Unless you mean junior high school, which is still equivalent to middle school and definitely not high school.
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No I made the math error of turning 18 durring senior year and subtracting 4 from it to get 13-14 as the age of freshmen. That double counts senior year.
 
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My daughter was born a couple days after the "starting school" cut off date which meant she was the same age during the entire school year and always the eldest in her class. So she was 15 during her entire 9th grade year.

The usual range of ages and grades are:
Grade 6: 11-12
Grade 7: 12-13
Grade 8: 13-14
Grade 9: 14-15
Grade 10: 15-16
Grade 11: 16-17
Grade 12: 17-18
 
I was browsing the list. I think my next one is going to be The Bluest Eye. I also think the Missouri school board mentioned in the link is in the greater St. Louis area, so I feel obligated to know what the fuss is about.
 
Book burning doesn't see to be enough for Republicans. Now they "are trying to require schools to post all course materials online so parents can review them, part of a broader national push by the GOP for a sweeping parents bill of rights ahead of the midterm congressional elections.
At least one proposal would give parents with no expertise power over curriculum choices. Parents also could file complaints about certain lessons and in some cases sue school districts."

As a former teacher, this is just ridiculous. Schools aren't pushing outlandish, politically or religiously biased agendas. As teachers, we were well aware of just how ridiculous some parents could be and how carefully we had to trod...so were principals and school boards. The parents that were the most difficult were almost always religious and/or right wing extremists. Believe me, I had my fair share of these to contend with.
 
Stacyhs said:
Book burning doesn't see to be enough for Republicans. Now they "are trying to require schools to post all course materials online so parents can review them, part of a broader national push by the GOP for a sweeping parents bill of rights ahead of the midterm congressional elections.
At least one proposal would give parents with no expertise power over curriculum choices. Parents also could file complaints about certain lessons and in some cases sue school districts."

As a former teacher, this is just ridiculous. Schools aren't pushing outlandish, politically or religiously biased agendas. As teachers, we were well aware of just how ridiculous some parents could be and how carefully we had to trod...so were principals and school boards. The parents that were the most difficult were almost always religious and/or right wing extremists. Believe me, I had my fair share of these to contend with.
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My wife is about to be a former teacher. Not worth it anymore.
 
bruto said:
I thought this got posted somewhere, but maybe not. If so, I apologize for the redundancy but it seems relevant even if no books are burned:

Alternative Math

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This is so close to the truth when it come to some parents and principals!

I had one boy in middle school who was a holy terror. I remember thinking "By the time he's 21, he'll be dead or in prison." But I tried my damnedest, even giving up my prep time once a week to help him one on one. Every Friday or Monday, I sent his parents a plan for the coming week: homework assignments, when they was due, what the reading assignments would be, and if a quiz or test was coming up. I also included what homework he'd actually turned in (which he rarely did) and what quiz/test grade he'd received. What thanks did I get when I had to fail him because he never did his homework and failed almost every quiz and test? I got his parents accusing me of lying awake at night coming up with ways to "pick on" their little angel. Last I heard, several years ago, was that he dropped out of high school and been arrested several times. But I'm sure it was all my and the other teachers' fault according to his dingbat parents.
 
Stacyhs said:
Book burning doesn't see to be enough for Republicans. Now they "are trying to require schools to post all course materials online so parents can review them, part of a broader national push by the GOP for a sweeping parents bill of rights ahead of the midterm congressional elections.
At least one proposal would give parents with no expertise power over curriculum choices. Parents also could file complaints about certain lessons and in some cases sue school districts."

As a former teacher, this is just ridiculous. Schools aren't pushing outlandish, politically or religiously biased agendas. As teachers, we were well aware of just how ridiculous some parents could be and how carefully we had to trod...so were principals and school boards. The parents that were the most difficult were almost always religious and/or right wing extremists. Believe me, I had my fair share of these to contend with.
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In the law I've seen proposed, teachers were required to post all their lesson plans for the year by June 30.

June friggin 30. 6 weeks before school starts in most places. They would be required to have all their lessons ready for May....in June of the previous year.

This is idiotic.
 
pgwenthold said:
In the law I've seen proposed, teachers were required to post all their lesson plans for the year by June 30.

June friggin 30. 6 weeks before school starts in most places. They would be required to have all their lessons ready for May....in June of the previous year.

This is idiotic.
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Any parent that interested in their kids' education should just homeschool them anyway, under the ancient philosophy of "if you're such an expert, do it your damn self".
 
TragicMonkey said:
Any parent that interested in their kids' education should just homeschool them anyway, under the ancient philosophy of "if you're such an expert, do it your damn self".
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Any parent that wanted to homeschool their kids should be asked two questions:
1. What makes you think you know the subject matter well enough?
2. What makes you think you know how to teach?
 
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