Bonati Institute for Back Problems - Woo?

I agree that the American Journal of Arthroscopy seems to be obscure rather than woo. It seems it only existed from 1991 to 1992, so there are probably no editions online.
It may have been a serious journal written by and for doctors. But if it only contained articles of an informative nature it was not a scientific journal. That would explain why PubMed doesn´t list any articles at all from that journal.
 
Last edited:
I suggest you EXHAUST ALL OTHER POSSIBLE OPTIONS before you go for any kind of back surgery. I don't care WHO the surgeon is or what techniques he/she employs. I've seen far too many failed back-surgery syndrome patients in my short time as a clinician.

~Dr. Imago
 
Last edited:
I suggest you EXHAUST ALL OTHER POSSIBLE OPTIONS before you go for any kind of back surgery. I don't care WHO the surgeon is or what techniques he/she employs. I've seen far too many failed back-surgery syndrome patients in my short time as a clinician.

~Dr. Imago

Except when symptoms are consistent with neural deficit, of course.
 
Last edited:
Except when symptoms are consistent with neural deficit, of course.

Wrong.

Patients who experience "neural deficit" (that's a pretty broad brush stroke) can still benefit from non-surgical techniques. Lumbar epidural steroid injection (LESI) has proven benefit in some patients with severe, intractable radiculopathic pain that results in neurologic symptoms in the lower extremity, and even sometimes bowel and bladder dysfunction. These can be effective treatments for foraminal stenosis. Many surgeons will offer foramenotomy, or even laminectomy, for these conditions.

Occassionally, if you suffer from severe, progressive stenosis of the spinal canal, with resultant neurological deficit, from herniation of a disk into the spinal canal you can also undergo chemonucleosis or RF ablation in an office setting by a qualified practitioner. This is done under fluoroscopy. Surgeons, instead, will offer various forms of surgical diskectomy.

There are other options. Interventional pain management docs can discuss these with you. It would be, at the very least, prudent to get a second opinion from one of them before you undergo back surgery, especially if you don't have a particularly complex back problem (e.g., multilevel disk degeneration, anklyosing spondylitis, severe arthritic changes, etc.).

Surgery on your back requires you be face down during the surgery. While most relatively minor surgical procedures are fairly quick and minimize time in prone position, this surgical position puts the patient at increased risk from swelling of the upper airway and even permanent vision loss. The lead article in this quarter's Anesthesia Patient Safety Foundation newsletter is about posterior ischemic optic neuropathy (PION) from prolonged surgical positioning in the prone position.

http://www.apsf.org/assets/Documents/spring2008.pdf

I'm not trying to scare anyone into not undergoing back surgery if it is absolutely necessary. But, often lifestyle changes (weightloss, exercise, better bedding, etc.) and less invasive procedures will fix the problem with time, and they offer a less risky alternative to what many hope will be a "quicker fix" to their back problems. Many people undergo surgical procedures and actually have worse back pain than they did before. Keep that in mind. Fix the underlying condition that led to the back pain in the first place, and you are far more likely to be successful.

(Please note this disclaimer here. This post is not to be construed as individualized medical advice.)

~Dr. Imago
 
Dr Imago, thank you for a thorough post.

Neural deficit is not a specific term I know. And I agree with you that for most patient one should try conservative treatments before undergoing spinal surgery.

Except in a very few instances, when there is severe neural deficit (if that is the correct term in English), as loss of bladder function etc, i.e cauda equina syndrome. I am not arguing with you, because I agree, just to comment that sometimes the pressure on the nerve should be relieved without any delay. When it comes to localized back pain (and not any suspicion of other diseases), I agree with you all the way.

Chemonucleolysis (not chemonucleosis) is ok for a select group of patients (especially young people who has soft HLD). But predictors for a successful treatment of with chemonucleolysis is, in addition to soft disc, the same as for all non-conservative treatments for HLD: chief complaint of leg pain rather than back pain, that is, radicular pain. Positive straight-leg-raising-test (Lasegue) or positive femoral nerve stretch test is also predictors of succesful treatment. So even chemonucleolysis is not a procedure one should do without the same consideration as other non-conservative treatments.
 
Bonati patient

I had surgery at the Bonati Institute on July 29, 2009. I am in much more pain now than I was before I went there. They are wanting me to come back to Florida for a second procedure. I am afraid to go back. I had a laminotomy. They had to remove some bone before the nerve on S1 could be released. As I said, I am in more pain now. How many procedures is it going to take? It cost $30,000.00 for one procedure.
 
Bonati Institute

I would like to know which surgeon you saw at the Bonati Institute. I, too have had surgeries there and am still in so much pain.

I had surgery at the Bonati Institute on July 29, 2009. I am in much more pain now than I was before I went there. They are wanting me to come back to Florida for a second procedure. I am afraid to go back. I had a laminotomy. They had to remove some bone before the nerve on S1 could be released. As I said, I am in more pain now. How many procedures is it going to take? It cost $30,000.00 for one procedure.
 
Bonati Institute

CarolP,
Please do not go to this place. I am a perfect example of what they do there. My doctor was Dr. Grossmith. I am now seeing a pain doctor for problems caused at Bonati. I have had injections and radiofrequency ablation, and nothing has helped. I went back to my teaching job after being off 4 months. A lawyer in Florida told me that I would have to let them treat me again before I could do anything. Lawyer told me to report it to Health Department - Big Deal!
 
Surgery at Bonati

How long did you give it after your surgery to start feeling any better? They keep telling me to "give it time" that it may take 6-8 weeks or up to 6 months. My last surgery was three weeks ago, and there has been some relief, but not totally. I refuse to go back for any more. I had heard such great things about this place, and had hoped for more. I doubt a lawyer would be able to do anything because I made the choice to keep going back.


CarolP,
Please do not go to this place. I am a perfect example of what they do there. My doctor was Dr. Grossmith. I am now seeing a pain doctor for problems caused at Bonati. I have had injections and radiofrequency ablation, and nothing has helped. I went back to my teaching job after being off 4 months. A lawyer in Florida told me that I would have to let them treat me again before I could do anything. Lawyer told me to report it to Health Department - Big Deal!
 
Bonati Institute

CarolP,
I was told the same thing. That I would get better. give it 6-8 weeks. Lie, I did not get better. As I told you, I kept getting worse. They wanted me to come back for second visit - at my expense. This July will be one year. I also was told good things about the institute. I even called a previous pro baseball player that lives in Lexington, Kentucky. He raved about the place, but when I was not getting any better, I called him again - no answer. I left voicemail and no one returned my call.
 
re Bonati Institute

Didn't work out so well for me-- Age 48, thoracic pain w/ cervical herniations & stenosis-- One of their neurosurgeons did C5-6 and C6-7 left side--for me 7 months ago.. (2 separate surgeries, 5 days apart)... Other than a brief period of some* relief (drugs, anasthesia, etc;? -I've only hurt more and more since-- especially a host of new pains from my neck I never had before..

They were great at selling...leading up to surgery-- After 3-4 months, they tell you that you've exhausted all of your follow-up time (after 2 cervical spine surgeries, already?!!?!!?!) and have to register as a "new patient"
They seem to only get upset and defensive if you're hurting-- no matter how nice I was about it ....

Before going, I did D.M. a number of 1+ year reviewers to see how they were feeling today-- Most had good things to say... but... since then I've found others like me, unfortunately...

One was an acquaintance on my Facebook-- Hadn't realized she had the same surgeon at Bonati operate on her neck at around the same time. In her case, spinal fluid leaked and the operation had to stop. She says they later told her it was "probably pre-existing" and they no longer accept her insurance...

another was-- on one of my surgeries-- I sat in a room over 7 hours on an IV pre-surgery--being fed a few ice chips every hour or so...They had to delay mine--because someone who had surgery the day before needed a revision... I heard a girl SCREAMING and CRYING in pain in the other room-- That should've warned me to get out...
 
I suggest you EXHAUST ALL OTHER POSSIBLE OPTIONS before you go for any kind of back surgery. I don't care WHO the surgeon is or what techniques he/she employs. I've seen far too many failed back-surgery syndrome patients in my short time as a clinician.

~Dr. Imago

My wife had successful spinal surgery to snip a herniated disk that was causing sciatica. But she didn't go into surgery casually. In her case, the sciatica was severe enough that at times she couldn't even walk, it had deteriorated over the course of a couple of months, and it was very clear from the MRI that the herniated disk was the cause. I know that MRI's can show degeneration even when there's no associated pain, so seeing something in an MRI isn't always proof that there's a real problem, but it wasn't a marginal call in this case. The herniated disk was badly impinging on the nerve. And the relief in her case was basically immediate, and has lasted.

But it's frequently not so clear cut. Most people get back problems to one degree or another as they age. And the most common cause for most back problems is actually just muscle weakness. That was the case for me in college. I pulled the muscles in my back moving stuff one weekend, and had significant back pain. The doctor gave me vallium, which helped short term, but I developed a nagging back problem after that. I would frequently need to sleep on my stomach or I would wake up with back pain. It was never severe enough for me to want surgery, but it would frequently pop back up for many years and it was annoying. Had I went to see a doctor, about it, I don't think they would have been able to do anything useful for me besides just more pain killers, which isn't really a solution.

What finally fixed it was what fixes a lot of back problems: getting stronger. It's actually pretty amazing how much less your back hurts by just adding muscle. I went from being able to squat 85 lbs to over 300 lbs, and my back problems went away.

During the Covid lockdowns, I lost most of my gainzzz, and some of that back pain started creeping back in. But I'm back at the gym now, and moving in the right direction again.
 

Back
Top Bottom