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Bomb attacks in Dresden

Unfortunately, arson attacks on mosques and on refugees centers are the order of the day in Germany.
 
ddt said:
Unfortunately, arson attacks on mosques and on refugees centers are the order of the day in Germany.
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True. I just thought this incident was notable because it targeted not just a mosque, but the International Congress Centre and a nearby hotel in what looks like a coordinated attack.
 
Odd the lack of comments here. I wonder if the target had been a shopping mall or church if this wouldn't generate a more passionate response.
 
Cleon said:
Odd the lack of comments here. I wonder if the target had been a shopping mall or church if this wouldn't generate a more passionate response.
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To be expected. Also to be expected is the lack of comments claiming the attacks are nothing more than some random "nutter".
 
trustbutverify said:
To be expected. Also to be expected is the lack of comments claiming the attacks are nothing more than some random "nutter".
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I don't like it when the "other side" responds to a terrorist attack with smug glee when they think it confirms their pet prejudices, and I'm rather hoping that "my side" can refrain from the same when thinking that this attack confirms ours.

If I had to guess, I'd say that whoever the perpetrator was, they were probably acting alone - there were only two bombs, and they went off nearly thirty minutes apart. I think the bombings themselves are connected, in that they were both planted by the same perpetrator, but whoever that perpetrator was did this all by himself. They don't appear to be sophisticated devices from the description, and the way the bombs went off and their short distance from each other (maybe a mile and a half, per the map here) suggests to me that one person cobbled them together, planted one, then went and planted the other without the use of any kind of elaborate timing mechanism or bomb design. I'm pretty sure, at this point, it wasn't any kind of organized PEGIDA strike or whatever, despite the speculations based on Dresden's history with that group.

Of course, I could be totally wrong about all of this. I'm just glad no one was killed or even apparently hurt this time, and I hope whoever did this is caught soon.
 
trustbutverify said:
To be expected. Also to be expected is the lack of comments claiming the attacks are nothing more than some random "nutter".
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Is this a comment in support of the bigotry in other threads that tars all Muslims with the same brush?

Some random nutter it probably is, unless there is some evidence, which may exist, of organised attacks. The average xenophobe doesn't stage bombing attacks.
 
Sideroxylon said:
Is this a comment in support of the bigotry in other threads that tars all Muslims with the same brush?
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I have no idea where you would get that from my comment.

Some random nutter it probably is, unless there is some evidence, which may exist, of organised attacks. The average xenophobe doesn't stage bombing attacks.
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This attack is probably inspired by a large, violent right-wing anti-immigrant movement which has gained a significant foothold in Dresden. I don't consider that "some random nutter", but time will tell.
 
trustbutverify said:
This attack is probably inspired by a large, violent right-wing anti-immigrant movement which has gained a significant foothold in Dresden. I don't consider that "some random nutter", but time will tell.
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PEGIDA is violent, but it's the violence of soccer hooliganism. I agree with Sideroxylon: your average xenophobe doesn't stage bombing attacks; it takes a special type of individual to build and plant multiple explosive devices, regardless of what ideology they follow or what kind of social movement they participate in.
 
A'isha said:
PEGIDA is violent, but it's the violence of soccer hooliganism. I agree with Sideroxylon: your average xenophobe doesn't stage bombing attacks; it takes a special type of individual to build and plant multiple explosive devices, regardless of what ideology they follow or what kind of social movement they participate in.
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I never claimed these attacks were carried out by "average xenophobes". That's my point. It's always more likely that the more psychotic personality types sympathetic to xenophobic agendas will be the ones to actually stage these types of attacks. That doesn't make them "random nutters", entirely disassociated from the larger movements inspiring them. Of course, there's a chance this attack may turn out to be an escaped mental patient, barely aware of the aggressive anti-ME immigrant organizations prevalent in Dresden- who would have ended up bombing some random target with or without any racist/political agenda, but I think the probabilities are against it.
 
trustbutverify said:
Maybe. Are all terrorist attacks on civilians carried out by insane people... by definition?
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I regard anyone who would want to kill other humans (unless in immediate defence of their own life) as having mental issues; and that is whether they are Muslim, Christian, secular atheist or any other philosophical bent.

And yes, I regard terrorists as insane; suicide bombers even more so!
 
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trustbutverify said:
I never claimed these attacks were carried out by "average xenophobes". That's my point. It's always more likely that the more psychotic personality types sympathetic to xenophobic agendas will be the ones to actually stage these types of attacks. That doesn't make them "random nutters", entirely disassociated from the larger movements inspiring them. Of course, there's a chance this attack may turn out to be an escaped mental patient, barely aware of the aggressive anti-ME immigrant organizations prevalent in Dresden- who would have ended up bombing some random target with or without any racist/political agenda, but I think the probabilities are against it.
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I don't think "random dude without any support or organization acting on his own in furtherance of an ideology or agenda but in a way completely different and more extreme than the larger movements inspiring him" (which is what I take "random nutter" to mean, and not an assessment of actual diagnosable mental illness or anything) is incompatible with that.
 
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Cleon said:
Odd the lack of comments here. I wonder if the target had been a shopping mall or church if this wouldn't generate a more passionate response.
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Maybe this attack *is* the passionate response. It's not reasonable to demand that people always be at their best in the face of an ongoing Islamic terror campaign.
 
smartcooky said:
I regard anyone who would want to kill other humans (unless in immediate defence of their own life) as having mental issues; and that is whether they are Muslim, Christian, secular atheist or any other philosophical bent.

And yes, I regard terrorists as insane; suicide bombers even more so!
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IMO, you are making a mistake that I think might be called a category error. Some people have different motivations than you do. I don't think the 19 who flew those planes into those buildings on 9/11 as insane. Whatever they were, insanity does not strike me as the descriptor.
 
theprestige said:
Maybe this attack *is* the passionate response. It's not reasonable to demand that people always be at their best in the face of an ongoing Islamic terror campaign.
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I'm somewhat doubtful that carrying out terrorist attacks on religious buildings and public spaces in the middle of our cities is really the best way to show those who carry out terrorist attacks on religious buildings and public spaces in the middle of our cities that we will not and shall not stand for such barbarous actions.
 
A'isha said:
I'm somewhat doubtful that carrying out terrorist attacks on religious buildings and public spaces in the middle of our cities is really the best way to show those who carry out terrorist attacks on religious buildings and public spaces in the middle of our cities that we will not and shall not stand for such barbarous actions.
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Who's this "we" you're talking about? You don't even give them credit for this kind of unity of action and responsibility. Now you're implying I should be on the hook for what some other poor sap does when he snaps from the stress? Piss off.
 
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