Bogus maintenance/ security men (for papasmurf)

One other point I would like to make. The maintenance (stationary) engineers, elevator mechanics, elevator operators, electricians, carpenters, plumbers, etc. in New York are highly unionized.

These guys know exactly who is a union contractor and who is not. Anyone who thinks that you could bring in a bunch of bogus, non unionized, workers without anyone noticing, well, I got a problem with that.
 
You also failed to counter my idea that they could have done it at night with a rigged security crew.

Once again, you fail to appreciate just how things work in the real world.

As pointed out, there are other persons in the building.

Why would a security crew be doing maintenance work, moving materials, etc it the building?

many of the tenant spaces were only accessible through the tenants themselves. Even the building security did not have access to these areas. This is pretty standard stuff in the financial sector.
 
Absolutely. And I know from personal experience that the regular staff will still commandeer it to pull garbage even though they know you have it scheduled. Yes, I have been locked out of the elevator (and my job) for up to an hour while the janitors pull garbage after I went down to grab a tool, a big part (the other part is parking) of the reason I don't do jobs in high-rises any more. Screw 'em.

My bolding! Aha! So the mask begins to slip from the conspiracy... Garbage was "pulled" as part of it... Wait, wait, let me look in Youtube for the confirming, damning, like, totally evidence!!

Wildcat, I can't believe you thought you'd get away with your evil plan.

I mean that in a nice and sincere way, however.

ETA: Are you Larry Silverstein?
 
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It is ridiculous to posit a hypothesis of maintenance men rigging a building for demolitions in the absence of any indications that this happened, and in the face of nobody noticing. Recall that former poster NDBoston worked in 7 World Trade, noted that floors had personnel 24x7, and never noted any such rigging:

Terral:

Can you explain to me how the building I worked in for three years including 9/11 was wired for controlled demolition without myself or any of my fellow employees at Salomon noticing it?

Keep in mind that three floors had coverage 24/7/365 (trading floors). Many others had people working early to late. I averaged 75 hours a week when I was there. Salomon had floors 27-44 and portions of the floors below that.

Was this done at night time? How did they handle when someone came on the floor? How did they handle security?

I try to ignore you but sometimes.....good God.

The company with the most floors and sq ft in WTC7 was Salomon Smith Barney.

I worked there with thousands of people doing crazy hours, most doing 80-90 hour weeks. There was no evidence of massive amounts of construction being done on our floors (read up on how a building is wired for CD). Three floors had people on them 24/7 and most days you usually had someone working to past midnight.

Explain to ME how my building was wired for controlled demolition while I worked there. How did I not see this?

I had free access on any Salomon Smith Barney floor. We had the most sq ft in 7 and dominated the building with employees. I could have accessed the same floors as some of the Federal agencies too where Salomon had space. It doesn't sound exactly like "Area 51" now does it?

Please explain how the building was wired for CD on floors 18-45 without anyone noticing that.

... We had three floors that had 24x7 365 days a year coverage as trading floors and people working long, crazy hours on numerous others. The merger also caused the workspace to get very crowded too. We were packed in together like rats.

All this and you're of the opinion that the building was wired for controlled demolition without a soul noticing a bit of significant construction.

I worked for Salomon for 3 years up to and including 9-11 at WTC7. There were three floors that had activity 24-7 (all were trading floors).

I found most floors at a minimum had people working there 6 days a week and many had people there 7 days a week. We were all under large amounts of pressure with deadlines and paid a great deal to do our jobs. People were also packed in like sardines on most floors. How were these explosive devices put in without anyone noticing it?

I never saw any significant construction in my time there. Can you point me to one employee from WTC7 who has a different account than mine? I haven't seen it.

The case of WTC 7 does not lend itself to any thesis that supposed demolitions rigging occurred during slack times when few people were around. Such construction would not only have to take into account the floors continuously manned, but would also have to somehow not be noticible on those floors. And that is the whole point of bringing up the absurdity of claiming that demolitions construction work was done in the weeks to months prior to 9/11. Very simply put, no one noticed any such work being done. And there were too many people present to not have noticed any such work.
 
The case of WTC 7 does not lend itself to any thesis that supposed demolitions rigging occurred during slack times when few people were around. Such construction would not only have to take into account the floors continuously manned, but would also have to somehow not be noticible on those floors. And that is the whole point of bringing up the absurdity of claiming that demolitions construction work was done in the weeks to months prior to 9/11. Very simply put, no one noticed any such work being done. And there were too many people present to not have noticed any such work.

Right. And I swear that most (if not all) CD CTists have a vision of the core areas being one giant, dark void with core columns scattered around. And that MiB could swing - Tarzan-like - back+forth attaching magnetic demolition packs here and there.

In fact the core columns were all lined with fireproofing and many covered to varying degrees in heavyweight dry-walling. They bordered offices, restrooms, corridors, stairways, storage areas etc etc.

Removing the drywalling would in itself be a monstrous job. It was heavy :

partitionwallsystem.jpg


And it was extensive :

corearchitecture.jpg


And then we have to consider the fact that CD requires pairs (or multiples) of opposite charges operating together to cut the steel, and that columns are typically pre-weakened with torches to reduce the column strength and ensure effective demolition:

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Attaching some kind of CD package would then make the replacement of the drywalling impossible (see pic 1 above). That's even allowing for the distant possibility of getting unobserved access to the necessary columns for sufficient time to even try.

And - note well - the guys in the photo above are working in a totally stripped-down building. Even then it takes months to rig a CD.

In short, the whole concept is absurd. Not a very scientific word, I know, but demonstrably and palpably absurd it remains. You can just about smell the absurdity.
 
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To date, the Japanese government has taken no position


Don't be so sure. This statement by the Japanese Mission to the UN appears to be the official position of the Japanese government. And it appears to support the overwhelming evidence that Al Qaida was responsible for 9/11.

So a so-called "debunker" is wrong again.
 
Don't be so sure. This statement by the Japanese Mission to the UN appears to be the official position of the Japanese government. And it appears to support the overwhelming evidence that Al Qaida was responsible for 9/11.

I was referring specifically to the Japanese government's response to the allegations made by the lone "Truther" in the legislature, but your point is duly noted and much appreciated.
 

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