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Body language=BS

jimtron

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Here's an interesting Salon article (must subscribe or watch ad) about how John Mark Karr's confession to killing JonBenet Ramsey might be false. I enjoyed Richard Ofshe's (false confession expert) response to a question about body language giving someone away:

That's bull****. That's spelled b-u-l-l-*-*-*-*. Bull****. That's nonsense.

Sure, if you know somebody really well, you can pick up on the fact that something's bothering them. My wife does it with me all the time. Children are usually pretty transparent. But how you tell the difference between an adult who is upset because of reason A and an adult who is upset because of reason B, I don't really know.

Police are forever thinking that during the course of an interrogation somebody looks like they're upset. That of course leads them to think that the person they're interrogating is showing guilt, but they can't tell the difference between someone showing guilt and someone showing distress because of something they didn't do. All the research shows that, if anything, the more training you've got to read body language the worse you are at it. There's a study by a guy named [Paul] Ekman, who's acknowledged as the guy who studies this, and he showed that law enforcement officers who were given training in reading body language were less likely to be accurate than people with no training, people who weren't even law enforcement. It just misleads them. Except for the grossest sort of circumstances where you don't need any training to see that someone's upset, to make fine discriminations, it just can't be done.
 
I wonder how my wife would feel about this? Is this about the training, or about the fact that humans give unspoken cues?
 
I read the article too, and when I got to the point quoted above, I was giving quiet applause in my mind -- both to the content of what he says and the fact that he's not hedging his words.

I especially liked this bit:

law enforcement officers who were given training in reading body language were less likely to be accurate than people with no training, people who weren't even law enforcement.
 
I'm wondering how many people undergo a police interrogation without becoming upset in any way.
 
*nodnod* Zigactly.

[edit] Except the other way 'round. Sorta. Kinda.
 
So, I think it must be the training that's at issue. I googled Ekman, and came up with The Truth Behind the Smile...

significantly:

Most of the research into nonverbal communications shows that people are not very good at masking their feelings. Emotions do leak out regularly, in many ways. And yet, the research also shows that most of us are not as good at decoding those emotions as we would like to think. Young people are significantly worse at both signaling emotions and reading them. Although we do learn as we grow older, we should remain wary; in the end, body language conveys important but unreliable clues about the intent of the communicator. The more information you can get about the clues you are trying to decode, the more likely you will be to decode them correctly.

Emphasis mine. I suspect that a Police strawMan is being constructed here...

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So, I think it must be the training that's at issue. I googled Ekman, and came up with The Truth Behind the Smile...
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Emphasis mine. I suspect that a Police strawMan is being constructed here...
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It's not a strawman. The quote was actually from Nick Morgan, not Ekman. Ekman is widely quoted in Morgan's squib but apparently it didn't make much of a dent in his own beliefs.
 
I always believed that we have a tremendous amount of body language that never gets picked up and people who can pick up such signals, especially without realizing it, are the ones who think they are psychic. Of course, body language of any kind can go out the window in a stressful situation such as an interrogation especially if the interrogators are crushing your fingers with a nut cracker.
 

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