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BNP: Epic Fail

That's right. I glanced at it most casually, and knew in an instant. But for the benefit of other readers... why?
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-Cosmic Roy


Well, actually I find myself now doubting what I said.
The twin Hispano cannon + 4x .303 machine gun arrangement first appeared in the Mk2b, which did go into service in late 1940. My first look at the attached image made me think it had the six exhaust arrangement typical of a Mk.IX , or at least a Mk.V which was a 1941 arrival.

I still think it is, but on blowing up the image it's actually less certain.

If I had to put money on it though, I'd say Mk.V and the fact that 303 squadron got them in 1941 supports this.
 
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Not long ago, the Huffington Post illustrated an article about a mission carried out by an AC-130 (or a group of AC-130s) with a picture of a pair of F-18s. That was a much bigger error than this; a fighter jet is radically different from a cargo plane with an artillery platform in its cargo space, whereas at least a Spitfire really is a Spitfire.

In each case, the only objections or mockery came from the political opponents of the people who made the mistake, thus revealing that it's not really about the mistake; it's just about an excuse to take shots at a political opponent.
 
tyr_13 said:
Scale armor has a long tradition, and is making a comeback in the form of Dragon Scale.
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Dragon Skin[A+]. My cousin got to work with it at the Aberdeen Proving Grounds, and he told me it was pretty damned impressive. Cap would be lucky to wear it.
 
Delvo said:
Not long ago, the Huffington Post illustrated an article about a mission carried out by an AC-130 (or a group of AC-130s) with a picture of a pair of F-18s. That was a much bigger error than this; a fighter jet is radically different from a cargo plane with an artillery platform in its cargo space, whereas at least a Spitfire really is a Spitfire.

In each case, the only objections or mockery came from the political opponents of the people who made the mistake, thus revealing that it's not really about the mistake; it's just about an excuse to take shots at a political opponent.
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I will use any excuse to take potshots at a Neo Nazi group of bigots like the BNP.
ANd the Irony of a anti immigrant group using a shot of a Spitfire flown by Polish pilots to try to promote their bigotry does not reach you?
 
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It's a Mk Vb. EN951 RFoD was Sqn Ldr Jan Zumbach's kite in 1942 (the
painting used by the BNP hasn't got enough kill markings on it though,
and it's missing the squadron leader's stripes too).

RF_D_EN951.jpg


"Donald Duck" is just "nose art". American culture was popular in those days,
even some Jerry pilots had Walt Disney characters as "nose art". "Donald
Duck" was a popular aeroplane to be photographed in. There exist many
photos of 303 Sqn pilots posing in RFoD.
 
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Soapy Sam said:
-Cosmic Roy


Well, actually I find myself now doubting what I said.
The twin Hispano cannon + 4x .303 machine gun arrangement first appeared in the Mk2b, which did go into service in late 1940.
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[/anorak on]

Except that there were only 170 Mk IIbs built and 303 Sqn never got any
of them. The Mk IIs with the "B" wing were disappointing to say the least
anyway. In any case, the serial EN951 clinches it as an LFVb. One of the
order built between April and August 1942. With 303 Sqn from April 1942
until passed to 315 Sqn in June 1943.

[/anorak off]
 
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Soapy Sam said:
Well, actually I find myself now doubting what I said.
The twin Hispano cannon + 4x .303 machine gun arrangement first appeared in the Mk2b, which did go into service in late 1940. My first look at the attached image made me think it had the six exhaust arrangement typical of a Mk.IX , or at least a Mk.V which was a 1941 arrival.

I still think it is, but on blowing up the image it's actually less certain.

If I had to put money on it though, I'd say Mk.V and the fact that 303 squadron got them in 1941 supports this.
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Thanks, Soapy Sam
 
Dudes, RF-D is the subject of the Airfix kit of the Vb. It's one of the best-known Spitfires there is. The BNP could just have walked into a model shop, looked at the box and done a few moments' reading (ah, there's the catch), and realised how badly they'd screwed up.

Dave
 
Dave Rogers said:
Dudes, RF-D is the subject of the Airfix kit of the Vb. It's one of the best-known Spitfires there is. The BNP could just have walked into a model shop, looked at the box and done a few moments' reading (ah, there's the catch), and realised how badly they'd screwed up.

Dave
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The old 1/72 Airfix Mk Vb kit from the 1970s (with its fat nose)!? I'm amazed
you can still get that. But I can't really imagine the BNP saying "Oh wait,
kameraden, we'd better check the authenticity of our artwork, quick let's nip
down to the model shop!" :D

I'm surprised that none of them noticed the Polish insignia on the cowling,
though (or maybe they just didn't know that's what it was?)
 
TX50 said:
The old 1/72 Airfix Mk Vb kit from the 1970s (with its fat nose)!? I'm amazed
you can still get that. But I can't really imagine the BNP saying "Oh wait,
kameraden, we'd better check the authenticity of our artwork, quick let's nip
down to the model shop!" :D

I'm surprised that none of them noticed the Polish insignia on the cowling,
though (or maybe they just didn't know that's what it was?)
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I'm sure they wouldn't know what it was. I'm surprised that nobody bothered to google the tail number though, just in case (First result from google gives the good news).

It's pretty funny though. Could only possibly have been more perfect if they'd picked an IAF (err, this one, I mean) Spitfire, but I'm not complaining :D
 
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Delvo said:
Not long ago, the Huffington Post illustrated an article about a mission carried out by an AC-130 (or a group of AC-130s) with a picture of a pair of F-18s. That was a much bigger error than this; a fighter jet is radically different from a cargo plane with an artillery platform in its cargo space, whereas at least a Spitfire really is a Spitfire.

In each case, the only objections or mockery came from the political opponents of the people who made the mistake, thus revealing that it's not really about the mistake; it's just about an excuse to take shots at a political opponent.
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The thing is, this isn't just "making a mistake", it's "Masking a mistake in a way that completely contradicts the point they were trying to make".

In attempting to rouse support for an anti-immigration platform, they used an image that actually supports immigration. That's the faceplant that's really funny.
 
TX50 said:
It's a Mk Vb. EN951 RFoD was Sqn Ldr Jan Zumbach's kite in 1942 (the
painting used by the BNP hasn't got enough kill markings on it though,
and it's missing the squadron leader's stripes too).

[qimg]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v692/whisky01/RF_D_EN951.jpg[/qimg]

"Donald Duck" is just "nose art". American culture was popular in those days,
even some Jerry pilots had Walt Disney characters as "nose art". "Donald
Duck" was a popular aeroplane to be photographed in. There exist many
photos of 303 Sqn pilots posing in RFoD.
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Just to add some more(not in any way organized):
-The 303 Sqn had Spitfire Mk VB from 07.10.1941 to 31.05.1943
-It was not pure polish Sqn as there were some czech pilots.(total:4 pilots)
-19.08 - participation in operation Jubilee
-19.05.1942 – 30.11.1942 S/Ldr Jan Zumbach
- his victories with Spitfire VB:
13.10.1941 - Spitfire V (AB976) - 1 Bf 109 sure a 1 FW 190 dmg.
24.10.1941 - Spitfire V (AB976) - 1 Bf 109 sure
27.04.1942 - Spitfire V (BM144 RF-D) - 1 FW 190 probable
19.08.1942 - Spitfire V (EP594 RF-H) - 1 FW 190 sure, 1/3 He 111 sure, 1 FW 190 probable
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- http://forum.valka.cz/viewtopic.php/title/303-perut-polska/p/144022#144022
- And I found source-photo: http://forum.valka.cz/viewtopic.php/title/Zumbach-Jan-Eugeniusz/p/203844#203844 (source is said to be on Wikipedia ,but cannot locate it there)
- Spitfire VB:2 20mm cannons,four 0,303 machineguns ; produced:3923

Sources:
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No._303_Squadron_RAF
- http://forum.valka.cz/viewtopic.php/t/21149 (primary-czech!)
- Fighting Aircrafts of World War two ,Salamander books,translated verison by Svojtka&co

BTW:Hope that I did not repost something...(again)
 
Glad more knowledgable folks confirmed my dim memories of WW2 aircraft were not so far off. (No, I wasn't actually around when they were still in service, though I didn't miss them by much. I have actually seen seven Spitfires flying at Duxford which was really something. One of my university lecturers actually flew Spits in WW2, so I'm not even five points of contact away.)

It is pretty funny, given how iconic this aircraft is, that the BNP didn't do a little research.- especially when we see how much data has appeared here so quickly.

By the way, my memory of my Airfix kit Spitfire was of one with a maple leaf (or at least some sort of leaf) badge. I thought it was a Mk.2. The Me 109 modef was a bf-e, which would make a Mk. 2 Spit a logical choice.

But even my model building days are now 40+ years gone...
...I had a good collection of flint axes too. Some still had blood on them.
 
Delvo said:
Not long ago, the Huffington Post illustrated an article about a mission carried out by an AC-130 (or a group of AC-130s) with a picture of a pair of F-18s. That was a much bigger error than this; a fighter jet is radically different from a cargo plane with an artillery platform in its cargo space, whereas at least a Spitfire really is a Spitfire.

In each case, the only objections or mockery came from the political opponents of the people who made the mistake, thus revealing that it's not really about the mistake; it's just about an excuse to take shots at a political opponent.
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Not really, one the facts undermine the argument, the other is just a dumb mistake.
 
Dave Rogers said:
Dudes, RF-D is the subject of the Airfix kit of the Vb. It's one of the best-known Spitfires there is. The BNP could just have walked into a model shop, looked at the box and done a few moments' reading (ah, there's the catch), and realised how badly they'd screwed up.

Dave
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It was ideologically perfect, they wish there were no poles taking jobs away from proper british fliers during the blitz, and so that the nazi's would win and they could be in power.
 
Soapy Sam said:
By the way, my memory of my Airfix kit Spitfire was of one with a maple leaf (or at least some sort of leaf) badge. I thought it was a Mk.2.
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The one with the maple leaf badge was the Airfix 1/72 scale Spitfire Mk IX.
It came with decals for "Johnny" Johnson's aeroplane (he was commander of
the Canadian Wing at Kenley in 1943).
 
ponderingturtle said:
It was ideologically perfect, they wish there were no poles taking jobs away from proper british fliers during the blitz, and so that the nazi's would win and they could be in power.
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Of course. A Stuka would have been a bit too obvious, so they
had to do this instead. ;)
 
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