BNP claims DNA evidence validates their racist policies

[Dragon]

THe BNP Euro Parliament member can join some of the other right wing nutjobs there...The Italian Neo Fascist, The French Le Pen crowd, and the Russian Ultra Nationalists come to mind. Birds of a Feather.

Ahem ... Russia???

Of course the party they'd all really like to be there with is the German one - NSDAP I think it used to be called.

 

[G-K-4]

G-K-4 beat me to it.

Not to steal your thunder, but glad to be of service.

Hit up "oppenheimer" on the Stormfront and other white-sup forums and see how those racists that have actually READ Origins of the British feel about its claims. They ain't happy!

Would you recommend any authors in addition to Oppenheimer? Bryan Sykes, perhaps?

This isn't 1415 any more, Nick.

I think he'll need more of a reminder.

 

[latent aaaack]

....
And as others have said - other than being an interesting historical footnote - so what? Even assuming we've been barely affected genetically and culturally (not so) by past immigrations, so what? What's the positive correlation between ethnic purity? A simple-minded tribal feel-good sense of community would seem to be about it. This isn't 1415 any more, Nick.

I dispute that a simple-minded tribal feel-good sense of community is not, in actual practice, an asset just as it was in 1415. I wonder when I read things like this if multiculturalism is one more theory dreamed up by genuinely intelligent and well meaning people that in practice will fall far short and end up overly popularly discredited in the long run. You can't fight people like Griffin without understanding the potential appeal of anti-immigramt sentiment.

Abstract. Putnam (2007) claims that in the short run ethnic diversity tends to reduce solidarity and social capital: in ethnically diverse neighborhoods, residents of all ethnicities tend to ‘hunker down’. Trust (even in one’s own ethnic group) is lower, altruism and community cooperation is more rare, friends fewer. This study replicates Putnam’s analysis for a West-European country. Furthermore, by including the ethnicity of the respondent’s neighbors, a sub-neighborhood level measure of ethnic diversity is added to the analyses. With data from the Netherlands (N=5,757), using multi-level regression, we confirm Putnam’s claim and find that both for immigrants and native residents 1) neighborhoods’ ethnic diversity reduces individual trust in neighborhoods; 2) those with neighbors of a different ethnicity have less trust in neighborhoods and neighbors 3) a substantial part of the effect of neighborhoods’ ethnic diversity on individual trust can be explained by the higher propensity of having neighbors of a different ethnicity. We conclude that ethnic diversity can have a negative effect on individual trust. However, we do not find these negative effects of
neighborhoods’ or neighbors ethnic diversity on inter-ethnic trust.

http://www.eui.eu/Personal/Dronkers/English/trust.pdf

 

[Paul]

Probably a little (or quite a lot) o/t from the BBC: BNP leader pelted in egg protest

 

[wackyvorlon]

You know, I hadn't heard of the BNP before. Looks like they're England's fascist party. It amazes me how people can still cling to a political ideology that failed so utterly and completely. Mussolini was killed, burned and dragged through the streets. Hitler committed suicide to avoid the desecration of his remains.

Never forget Fuhrerstodestag!

 

[Ashles]

You know, I hadn't heard of the BNP before. Looks like they're England's fascist party. It amazes me how people can still cling to a political ideology that failed so utterly and completely. Mussolini was killed, burned and dragged through the streets. Hitler committed suicide to avoid the desecration of his remains.

Never forget Fuhrerstodestag!

You should hear them talk.

"Common sense... British identity... hard working British man... common sense..."

They don't even have any skills of actual oration. Just some pathetic messages that appeal to morons who fear anyone coming from outside the borders of their county in case they steal the jobs, women and fraudulent state benefits.

I want to ask them when the immigrant cut off date was.
At what point did they decide anyone who came into the country before [X] particular year is proper British, and anyone who came in after that year is a damned dirty immigrant.

 

[Madalch]

You should hear them talk.

"Common sense... British identity... hard working British man... common sense..."

"The right to ride a British bicycle...the right to wear short pants...."

 

[CapelDodger]

But that's not all. Anyone with some ancestors who DID live in Britain before agriculture was practiced, and other ancestors who DIDN'T, is also screwed. Griffin thinks that this "miscegenation" "destroys two ancient family lines". Never mind that those families are still part of history, still exist in the present, and will likely continue into the future.

Griffin clearly favours in-breeding. It means more BNP voters, after all.

I'm from the U.S. with British ancestry, and I mostly identify as British. But to Griffin, I wouldn't count because I also have documented and relatively recent French and German ancestry. So I guess my family lines have been "destroyed" and I'm some sort of temporal anomaly.

I'm a mongrel and I revel in it !

 

[CapelDodger]

"Common sense... British identity... hard working British man... common sense..."

When I hear "common sense" I reach for my gun. Metaphorically, of course. We're not allowed guns in Britain.

They don't even have any skills of actual oration. Just some pathetic messages that appeal to morons who fear anyone coming from outside the borders of their county in case they steal the jobs, women and fraudulent state benefits.

Morons trying to excuse their own inadequacy. All they've got is being white.

In the good old days we'd have sent them off to die pointlessly in the Khyber Pass, but that's no longer "politically correct" . No wonder the country's going to the dogs.

I want to ask them when the immigrant cut off date was.

The words of a liberal elitist trying to complicate the issue.

At what point did they decide anyone who came into the country before [X] particular year is proper British, and anyone who came in after that year is a damned dirty immigrant.

Here's a question to wind them up : How much Jewishness is allowable? A quarter? An eighth? None at all?

 

[CapelDodger]

You know, I hadn't heard of the BNP before. Looks like they're England's fascist party. It amazes me how people can still cling to a political ideology that failed so utterly and completely. Mussolini was killed, burned and dragged through the streets.

The iconic Mussolini moment is his body hung by the ankles from a lampost while people beat its head to a pulp. His last mistress suffered the same treatment alongside him, which I think was unfair.

Hitler committed suicide to avoid the desecration of his remains.

You're highlighting the failures. Attila, Genghis, Tamur - all died in their beds with a smile on their faces. And boy, do they have descendents (unlike so many of their contemporaries).

 

[wackyvorlon]

Though, if I'm not mistaken, Attilla died a bloody death.

 

[CapelDodger]

Though, if I'm not mistaken, Attilla died a bloody death.

Tradition has it that he died in yet another wedding-bed, after hundreds of others. It's good to be Khan .

 

[CapelDodger]

I dispute that a simple-minded tribal feel-good sense of community is not, in actual practice, an asset just as it was in 1415. I wonder when I read things like this if multiculturalism is one more theory dreamed up by genuinely intelligent and well meaning people that in practice will fall far short and end up overly popularly discredited in the long run. You can't fight people like Griffin without understanding the potential appeal of anti-immigramt sentiment.

Absolutely. Throwing eggs and screaming abuse really doesn't cut it. It's as pathetically self-inflating as racism.

The way to oppose such people is simply not to pander to them. Their claim is that they're the voice of the powerless : leave them to it.

 

[Mashuna]

The iconic Mussolini moment is his body hung by the ankles from a lampost while people beat its head to a pulp. His last mistress suffered the same treatment alongside him, which I think was unfair.

This led to the famous George Formby song, "I'm Hanging From a Lamppost at the Corner of my Street."

 

[SusanB-M1]

That would be lovely, wouldn't it?

I wonder if an investigative reporter from one of the major newspapers could get his DNA and check out where his ancestors going back a few centuries came from.

And I heard someone saying that quite a few Asian Britons had voted for them, obviously not realising what the BNP's policy was about them.

 

[G-K-4]

I wonder if an investigative reporter from one of the major newspapers could get his DNA and check out where his ancestors going back a few centuries came from.

That's not a bad idea. I don't know if genetic testing is quite that precise yet, but the local public records office might contain some interesting information....

And since Griffin is crowing about the British being in Britain for the past 12,000 years, he has set the bar really, really high.

 

[Professor Yaffle]

I wonder if an investigative reporter from one of the major newspapers could get his DNA and check out where his ancestors going back a few centuries came from.

And I heard someone saying that quite a few Asian Britons had voted for them, obviously not realising what the BNP's policy was about them.

That's because they talk out of different sides of their mouths to different groups. When talking to white people they say that non whites can never be British etc, when talking to asians they will say they have nothing against second and third generation asians and just want to restrict new immigration. And they pit different ethnic minority groups against eachother etc.

 

[Ashles]

The words of a liberal elitist trying to complicate the issue.

I don't understand that comment.

 

[Lensman]

I'm also proud mongrel, my mother was Welsh, my father was Jugoslav (to be a bit more precise, he was a Croatian Serb) but my surname suggests a Czech ancestry (waaaay back).
During the Roman occupation of Britain, soldiers from all over the Empire would be posted here, which means men from the Italian & Iberian Peninsulars, the Balkans, Central Europe, the Middle East, North Africa etc., a great many of those men would've taken local wives, which means that I could have genes from just about anywhere on my mother's side.

The Celts were also wide-ranging in their trading & rading excursions - I've learnt that they even went as far east as the Balkans, this means that I could have Celtic genes from my fathers side.


Mongrel indeed!

 

[CapelDodger]

I don't understand that comment.

I was being ironic . A very British affliction.