Blown to Kingdom Come

[Horatius]

Even with zero air, all the material compacted together would be on the order of 8 stories tall, by 200 ft x 200 ft, times two towers.

And did you miss the part where Brainache said:

Since when is a six storey high pile of mashed up concrete and steel a crater?

And have you forgotten that the Towers had levels below ground? So, there you go, 6 stories above ground, a few below, and you've got your 8 stories tall.

Now if we can just get you over your ridiculous assertion that there should be "acre-sized" pieces of floor left, we're there.

 

[beachnut]

You see, in the above picture, the twin towers appear to have been blown to kingdom come. The black building in the foreground is Banker's Trust, the twin towers together were about 7x as large Banker's Trust. Yet we see not a single floor assembly, none of the core, just shredded steel and dust, a smoldering bomb crater where WTC1 had stood.

Belief that the twin towers "fell down" or "collapsed" is just utterly divorced from reality. Gentleman, ladies, the only rational discussion at this point is what sort of explosives did this.

so you ignore the fact each WTC had energy stored in them due to gravity, and that energy in each tower was equal to 248 tons of TNT?

therefore if the WTC area looks as if it was bombed out, the very falling of the towers would be like 2000 500 pound bombs from a b-52 bombing all day long,

2000 500 pound bombs

or use 500 2000 pound bombs,

you end up with 5 stories of ruble

bet you ignore the impact energy too, a ton of TNT

bet you ignore the fuel energy too, 315 tons of TNT equal energy

so it would be fair to ignore your theory since you have zero proof

proof would be nice, but next time do not ignore the energy already there

you are just joking right?

 

[defaultdotxbe]

And did you miss the part where Brainache said:



And have you forgotten that the Towers had levels below ground? So, there you go, 6 stories above ground, a few below, and you've got your 8 stories tall.

Now if we can just get you over your ridiculous assertion that there should be "acre-sized" pieces of floor left, we're there.

actually the WTC had 7 stories underground, assuming they were all crushed as well thats 13 stories of rubble (although i think the bottom 3-4 levels were relatively intact)

 

[Horatius]

actually the WTC had 7 stories underground, assuming they were all crushed as well thats 13 stories of rubble (although i think the bottom 3-4 levels were relatively intact)

Yeah, but that gets us back into that whole "math" and "facts" stuff, and we know how much BS hates that....

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Correct, no significant pile in the second picture. There is no macroscopic concrete, just a pile of powder. There is shredded steel. This represents, what, 1/10,000 of the material in the towers? Something like that. Observe the picture in the top link. THe twin towers were 7 times bigger than the black banker's trust building in the foreground. You cannot tell me that if these two towers simply "fell down" that they would leave this type of debris.

No, visible from the arial shot would be two buildings. There would be floors stacked up. Core columns would stick up. Even with zero air, all the material compacted together would be on the order of 8 stories tall, by 200 ft x 200 ft, times two towers.

There would be desks, and file cabinets.

We don't see anything like that.Even if the concrete somehow disintegrated, the steel floor pans would be stacked up. THere is simply no mechanism in your gravity collapse to explain the disintegration of the towers. So you rely on closeups of the mounds of dust, which only further confirm that the buildings were blown to kingdom come.

What evidence can you provide to substantiate your claims that does not rely on subjective interpretation?

 

[DavidJames]

Troll1234 Looks at this picture

and declares it:

just a pile of powder.

I called him a troll early on in this thread, this is why.

 

[Garb]

Correct, no significant pile in the second picture. There is no macroscopic concrete, just a pile of powder. There is shredded steel.

Yeah, you must be blind if you look at that picture and declare it a pile of rubble.

 

[jujigatami]

I'd like to see anyone invent a 9/11 ct that hasn't already been seriously proposed by some nutter somewhere. I don't think it can be done.

I did on another post, I forgot which one though.

You see, it was all a plot by the airlines. They are run by Joos, and staged 9/11 in order to get the government to provide them with 15 billion dollars in bailouts.

It was remarkeably easy for them to install remote controls in their own planes, reroute passengers on other planes to cleveland etc., and fake all manifests.

They even tried to get more bailouts by crashing AA587 in Nov of 2001 in Brooklyn.

As evidence, I point out that American Airlines is based in Houston. Home of GHW Bush, and Houston is in Texas where GWB was governor.

 

[Gravy]

Correct, no significant pile in the second picture. There is no macroscopic concrete, just a pile of powder.

The next photo is an enlargement of the one in which you say there is no "macroscopic" concrete. I've never seen a "total science buff" who had no idea which end of the microscope to look through.

More "microscopic" concrete at the WTC:

A nanobot at work amidst the microscopic concrete:

Nanobots at Fresh Kills:

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Even with zero air, all the material compacted together would be on the order of 8 stories tall, by 200 ft x 200 ft, times two towers.

Now take into account the 7-story basement, and tell us how high above ground the 8 stories of debris should be.

There would be desks, and file cabinets. We don't see anything like that.

Your problem is that you want intact desks and file cabinets. Next you'll be demanding to see filing clerks at work. Get a grip on reality, troll: WTC file cabinet

Even if the concrete somehow disintegrated, the steel floor pans would be stacked up. THere is simply no mechanism in your gravity collapse to explain the disintegration of the towers.

Below is a floor truss, which supported one side of a thin sectional floor pan. Please explain why we should see intact floor pans.

Then explain how, if the concrete resting on this truss was "blown to kingdom come," the truss was not.

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TS1234, we are NOT enjoying watching you skip merrily down the road to Christopheraville. If you cannot refrain from lying about 9/11, you should seek professional mental health care.

 

[realitybites]

Please explain to me what you think is causing the concrete to become pulverized into fine powder, and then ejected outwards away from the direction of the falling top.

Please explain to me how you know that the concrete is the only substance in the towers that could turn into a fine powder?

Were all of the floors just open spaces? No drywall? No sheetrock? People had to hang pictures of their kids right on the steel columns?

Use you're [rule8]ing God-given brain for just 2 seconds.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

TS1234, we are NOT enjoying watching you skip merrily down the road to Christopheraville.

Christopheraville 1 Mile

Christopheraville 1/2 Mile

Christopheraville 1/4 Mile

Christopheraville 1/8 Mile

Christopheraville 1/16 Mile

Christopheraville 1/32 Mile

Christopheraville 1/64 Mile

Christopheraville 1/128 Mile

Christopheraville 1/256 Mile

Christopheraville 1/512 Mile

Christopheraville 1/1024 Mile

 

[realitybites]

TS1234, we are NOT enjoying watching you skip merrily down the road to Christopheraville.

What are you talkin' about Gravy? He's not skippin' there. He's the friggin' mayor!

He'll take a limo thankyouverymuch.

 

[Garb]

What are you talkin' about Gravy? He's not skippin' there. He's the friggin' mayor!

He'll take a limo thankyouverymuch.

Actually Chriswhatshisface is the mayor.

Now truthseekerwhatshisface is the Sheriff.

 

[Horatius]

Please explain to me what you think is causing the concrete to become pulverized into fine powder, and then ejected outwards away from the direction of the falling top.

You know, in thinking about this comment, I've realized that truthinessseeker1234 has probably never in his life done any sort of physical labour, particularly with large sheets of plywood.

TS: homework time. Go out, buy a large sheet of plywood. Drop it from about waist height on to a dusty surface. Please report back on which directions the dust moves.

I'll give you a hint (since I'm pretty sure you'll never actually do this): The dust will tend to blow out in all directions, regardless of what angle the plywood falls at. The air under the wood will move in the path of least resistance, which means almost any direction away from the center. That's just what happens when large area flat things fall down.

Do the same thing with a large piece of concrete, and it will shatter when in lands, more often than not.

So, Truthiness, have you ever done any real work? Even as a hobby? I'd be willing to bet my late Grandfather the carpenter would have a better grasp on what this thing would look like than you, just from years of having to work with actual physical things. Gramps was a smart guy.

 

[Horatius]

Christopheraville 1 Mile
Christopheraville 1/2 Mile
Christopheraville 1/4 Mile
Christopheraville 1/8 Mile
Christopheraville 1/16 Mile
Christopheraville 1/32 Mile
Christopheraville 1/64 Mile
Christopheraville 1/128 Mile
Christopheraville 1/256 Mile
Christopheraville 1/512 Mile
Christopheraville 1/1024 Mile

What is this, Zeno's Christophera?

 

[DavidJames]

What is this, Zeno's Christophera?

Just out for a spin on the Antelope Freeway.

http://www.firesigntheatre.com/albums/album.php?album=hcyb

 

[Ripley Twenty-Nine]

The next photo is an enlargement of the one in which you say there is no "macroscopic" concrete. I've never seen a "total science buff" who had no idea which end of the microscope to look through.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/8790453d0a41b645d.jpg​

More "microscopic" concrete at the WTC:​

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/8790452ce917de76c.jpg​

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/8790452ce91816fe3.jpg​

A nanobot at work amidst the microscopic concrete:​

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/8790452ce91847140.jpg​

Nanobots at Fresh Kills:​

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/8790453d12dbb0b9d.jpg​

Now take into account the 7-story basement, and tell us how high above ground the 8 stories of debris should be.

Your problem is that you want intact desks and file cabinets. Next you'll be demanding to see filing clerks at work. Get a grip on reality, troll: WTC file cabinet

Below is a floor truss, which supported one side of a thin sectional floor pan. Please explain why we should see intact floor pans.

Then explain how, if the concrete resting on this truss was "blown to kingdom come," the truss was not.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/8790453d142c37768.jpg​

TS1234, we are NOT enjoying watching you skip merrily down the road to Christopheraville. If you cannot refrain from lying about 9/11, you should seek professional mental health care.

Man, this thread is just depressing.

It's depressing to see how tightly the deluded can hold on to what they want to believe. One, low res picture, which looks like the site after much of the large rubble has been cleared...

It's depressing to know that with all of these pictures showing pile after pile of steel, pile after pile of non-pulverized concrete, they're not going to make a damn bit of difference in the minds of the CTers.

It's depressing to know that they made their minds up before September 11th even happened.

 

[TruthSeeker1234]

Thank you for the pictures, I was looking for that one with the guys climbing the pile with the flag at the top. Yes, there is some macroscopic concrete in that one. I would say, generously, it represents 1/2000th of the total. I will include it in my rubble hunt.

Yes, 9/11 studies can be depressing.

 

[Garb]

Thank you for the pictures, I was looking for that one with the guys climbing the pile with the flag at the top. Yes, there is some macroscopic concrete in that one. I would say, generously, it represents 1/2000th of the total. I will include it in my rubble hunt.

Yes, 9/11 studies can be depressing.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

 

[TruthSeeker1234]

Y
Do the same thing with a large piece of concrete, and it will shatter when in lands, more often than not.

Yes, it will shatter. Correct. I'm looking for all that shattered concrete. It's not there. It turned into powder and was expelled across all of lower Manhattan before it ever had a chance to hit the ground and shatter.