Blanchard Doesn't Buy Thermite Myth

[rwguinn]

It is not science. Science can only be found in online videos and though deciphering quotes taken out of context. The one caveat is there are certain people that can decide what is science just by looking at it and coming to a conclusion that has no basis in fact. These individuals have the ability to decide what is science and what is not

Da*n.
Back to remedial NWO classes for me.
I guess I was getting too big for my britches, again.

Sorry.

 

[pomeroo]

Let's not lose sight of the FACT that Max has never provided a shred of evidence suggesting that thermite was used at the WTC complex on the day of the jihadist attacks. Max, it must be remembered, is an aging hippie with no background in science or demolition. People who work in the demolition industry found no evidence of thermite. Why should uninformed fabrications trump professional expertise?

 

[pomeroo]

People have asked what's wrong with Blanchard's paper.

I would say a lot!

Take his assertion #2 about the buildings falling into their own footprint.

Blanchard's comment is a joke:

"A review of all photographic images clearly show about 95 % of falling debris being forced away from the footprint of the structure, creating a giant "mushroom" effect around its perimeter"

About 95%?

Was Blanchard's paper peer reviewed?

Obviously not!

Blanchard is good mind you... he can look at photos of the collapse and say without hesitation that "clearly" about 95 % of the mass landed OUTSIDE the building's footprint!

I can't tell if it is 30%, 40%, 50%, 60%, 70%, 80%. Why?

Because dust can be very deceptive with regards to the mass it represents. I thought a demolition expert would know this.

Blanchard should get together with Ace Baker to discuss this since they appear to see eye to eye on this one. Blown to kingdom come indeed!

And you know that other "experts" such as those at Risk Management Solutions Inc, a company that specializes in assessing damage to buildings from acts of terrorism issued a report on the collapse of WTC 1 & 2 and reached entirely different conclusions. So why would I believe Blanchard?

I'm a little curious as to the source of your ability to ridicule Blanchard's expertise in the demolition industry. His job is to photograph and assess demolitions. Why do you suppose he knows so little about his profession?

 

[Brainache]

AHA!!!! there we have it from the horses mouth. It was hundreds of genetically engineered and trained rats that gnawed on the steel to weaken the columns.

See?. It's so MILDEC that it's obvious!!!!!!!

And don't forget Blanchard wrote: "I'm part of the big conspiracy". What more proof do you sheeple need??!1!!!1!!!

 

[Max Photon]

Max 1 : Brent 0

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Gentle readers, note the following:

The OP tries to bail ol' Maxwell C. by parading Brent Blanchard's paper as "proof" that MAX-MIHOP is meritless.

I was asked (well, baited) to explain why Blanchard's paper does not wipe MAX-MIHOP off the face of the universe.


I wrote:

"NOWHERE in Blanchard's paper does he address the use of thermite as a catalyst to merely heat the steel at impact floors to about 625 C - less than half steel's melting temperature - to HEAT-WEAKEN the steel."

[Blanchard only discusses using thermite to CUT steel. That ain't MAX-MIHOP.]


Blanchard responded:

"That's correct. And NOWHERE in our paper did we address the possibility of hundreds of small rodents brainwashed for years in a top-secret underground government lab in New Mexico being released into the towers and gnawing at the steel until the columns finally failed. There are probably a few other theories we left out as well.

"Sorry Ron, I just don't have time for these idiots. And that in itself surely indicates I'm part of the Big Conspiracy...."



Did I miss something?

Was my response unreasonable? (I thought is was clear and direct.)


I think Blanchard just lost.


Max

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[A W Smith]

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Gentle readers, note the following:

The OP tries to bail ol' Maxwell C. by parading Brent Blanchard's paper as "proof" that MAX-MIHOP is meritless.

I was asked (well, baited) to explain why Blanchard's paper does not wipe MAX-MIHOP off the face of the universe.


I wrote:

"NOWHERE in Blanchard's paper does he address the use of thermite as a catalyst to merely heat the steel at impact floors to about 625 C - less than half steel's melting temperature - to HEAT-WEAKEN the steel."

[Blanchard only discusses using thermite to CUT steel. That ain't MAX-MIHOP.]


Blanchard responded:

"That's correct. And NOWHERE in our paper did we address the possibility of hundreds of small rodents brainwashed for years in a top-secret underground government lab in New Mexico being released into the towers and gnawing at the steel until the columns finally failed. There are probably a few other theories we left out as well.

"Sorry Ron, I just don't have time for these idiots. And that in itself surely indicates I'm part of the Big Conspiracy...."



Did I miss something?

Was my response unreasonable? (I thought is was clear and direct.)


I think Blanchard just lost.


Max

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No you just lost. Your response did not even qualify for a reply.

 

[Max Photon]

Here Mr. Blanchard, let me lob one to you...

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I had a fun little insight this morning.

I figured out a better ignition mechanism for the thermite fuse!

(Thermite fuse is simpler than thermite-dusted shock-tube, and as I think about the problem, the tubing being hollow is a needless constraint - the tube could be packed. So...thermite fuse.)

The ignition mechanism of the thermite fuse is the impact of the jet.

Voilà!


MAX-MIHOP - Simplified

• The aluminum from the jets was used to create improvised aluminum-water explosions. The functions were to knock off SFRM, and to create visually-spectacular explosions.
  
• The jet that struck WTC2 crashed through a net of thermite-fuse placed between the perimeter-panel steel, and the aluminum cladding. The net had a system of delays.
  
• Thermite-fuse lit pre-planted thermite - wrapped in black plastic and paper - at floor truss gusset seats.
  
• The thermite did not melt the gusset seats or bottom chords, but rather caused the visco-elastic dampers to burn, causing the floor membrane to sag, which added a catenary force to the perimeter columns. (Evidence: The seven one-minute smoke releases from WTC2.)
  
• Thermite in perimeter panel box columns heated the columns, and caused visco-elastic creep. (Evidence: the metal fire at the bolt-access-hole of Column 301 / 81.)
  
• And as we all know "...the NIST investigation showed conclusively that the failure of the inwardly bowed perimeter columns initiated collapse and that the occurrence of this inward bowing required the sagging floors to remain connected to the columns and pull the columns inwards." (NIST FAQ 2)

ETA: Here you can watch column 301 - remember, the one with the 10-minute metal fire right by the bolt-access-hole? - bow inward and fail, thereby initiating the collapse of WTC2.

Remember, as Mr. Blanchard said, the key to understanding everything at Ground Zero is where the tower failed.

Well that's where (and how).


Max-Minimized

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[pomeroo]

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I had a fun little insight this morning.

I figured out a better ignition mechanism for the thermite fuse!

(Thermite fuse is simpler than thermite-dusted shock-tube, and as I think about the problem, the tubing being hollow is a needless constraint - the tube could be packed. So...thermite fuse.)

The ignition mechanism of the thermite fuse is the impact of the jet.

Voilà!


MAX-MIHOP - Simplified

• The aluminum from the jets was used to create improvised aluminum-water explosions. The functions were to knock off SFRM, and to create visually-spectacular explosions.
• The jet that struck WTC2 crashed through a net of thermite-fuse placed between the perimeter-panel steel, and the aluminum cladding. The net had a system of delays.
• Thermite-fuse lit pre-planted thermite - wrapped in black plastic and paper - at floor truss gusset seats.
• The thermite did not melt the gusset seats or bottom chordss, but rather caused the visco-elastic dampers to burn, causing the floor membrane to sag, which added a catenary force to the perimeter columns. (Evidence: The seven one-minute smoke releases from WTC2.)
• Thermite in perimeter panel box columns heated the columns, and caused visco-elastic creep. (Evidence: the metal fire at the bolt-access-hole of Column 301 / 81.)
• And as we all know "...the NIST investigation showed conclusively that the failure of the inwardly bowed perimeter columns initiated collapse and that the occurrence of this inward bowing required the sagging floors to remain connected to the columns and pull the columns inwards." (NIST FAQ 2)

Max-Minimized

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You have a little surprise coming.

 

[A W Smith]

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I had a fun little insight this morning.

I figured out a better ignition mechanism for the thermite fuse!

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Yes we know, Some of us always knew. You're just in it for the fun aren't you? Its just a plausibility ego boost game for you. Who can come closest to creating a plausible conspiracy theory. It has nothing to do with respecting the victims. Nothing to do with making a world safer, Nothing to do with exposing building practices which can become safer. Just someone who needs to double space the lines of every post just to differentiate themselves. So......Sad,

 

[JimBenArm]

AHA!!!! there we have it from the horses mouth. It was hundreds of genetically engineered and trained rats that gnawed on the steel to weaken the columns.

See?. It's so MILDEC that it's obvious!!!!!!!

<--My avatar denies any responsibility for the collapse. He was at Acme Labs that entire night.

 

[Max Photon]

There was no cutting apparatus.

Apollo, correct me if I'm wrong, but I see to huge issues with Max's theory. To use thermite to heat the columns would require that the apparatus would have to survive the initial impact and fuel-air explosion and have a continuous tight seal against the column so the liquid iron does not flow out of it allowing the steel to cool.

Lapman,

You are a bit confused.

Thermite was placed INSIDE perimeter box columns. There is no "apparatus" - the column itself is the thermite container.

Remember, just a dab'll do ya!

We are not cutting steel, juuuussssst heating it.

Cool.


Max

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[beachnut]

crazy theory

Lapman,

You are a bit confused.

Thermite was placed INSIDE perimeter box columns. There is no "apparatus" - the column itself is the thermite container.

Remember, just a dab'll do ya!

We are not cutting steel, juuuussssst heating it.

Cool.


Max

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A most pathetic theory, really poor in light of the lives lost to make fun of people who died by making a stupid theory with zero evidence. Since the impact and fire destroyed the WTC your theory becomes very crazy.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

<--My avatar denies any responsibility for the collapse. He was at Acme Labs that entire night.

NOT that easy we know he is a suspect!

Actually we know that he could have remotely detonated the thermite cutter melter charges the information has been known for years on how to do it using Sono Chemical reactions induced by Ultra Sound from mice.

ultrasound vocalizations emitted by isolated mouse pups and pairs of adult males and females have been digitally recorded and examined.

http://http://scitation.aip.org/getabs/servlet/GetabsServlet?prog=normal&id=JASMAN000114000006003412000001&idtype=cvips&gifs=yesd

Cutter charges of thermite could have been designed and placed the trick is not to use hot iron to cut the steel but to use an Oxidant like that in an oxygen generator, in conjunction with high pressure super heated steam heated by a thermite charge.
That way the steel is the actual fuel and the mechanism is cooled and does not clog or fall off as the beam is cut!
You can actually pipe it into the water supply of the buildings to generate the steam with nothing more than an ordinary refrigerator ice maker water line tap.

OK now you know how I did it I built a device that could do it, but it is not that easy!
Applying a sufficient steam and means of oxidizing the steel is all you need, just make sure you can keep fresh steel exposed to the stream with out the build up of Fe304 on the surface and the cutting is easy and similar to that of an Oxyacetylene torch.
I however do not believe such devices are practical because of associated risks they are hard to handle and unsafe at best to to possible hydrogen generation!
The hydrogen is not a problem when cutting it actually helps heat the steel, but it is a significant danger during Ignition, the devices have a tendency to go Ka boom with a very loud Ka boom.

Franks AP Idea would work if it was not for the AP being so easy to ignite, however it would work for different reasons than I first expected AP is great in rockets because it produces a lot of hot gasses quickly, that would tend to make it not want to stick to the trusses, and columns, so a little AP and the fire proofing would be gone in a short time leaving the metal exposed to the fires heat.

As for Max's Ideas on thermite weakening of the structure it would work if you knew exactly where and when the planes were going to impact! And you could prevent Shock waves associated with and transmitted by the steel at impact though the structure from causing thermite sparking. Thermite sparking at the wrong time and in the wrong place and the building goes over in an uncontrolled manor.
One spark in one charge is all it takes to throw the buildings way off target for collapse down the center, that is the problem with Dr. Jone's and Max's Thermite Ideas thermite sparking is likely in any charges of thermite do to the friction of the grains in the Charges as they are excited by shock waves from the impacts.

PS. do not let this information out to the truth movement do not want them going nuts over this!

 

[Max Photon]

MAX-MIHOP - well-oiled

[snip]

As for Max's Ideas on thermite weakening of the structure it would work if you knew exactly where and when the planes were going to impact! And you could prevent Shock waves associated with and transmitted by the steel at impact though the structure from causing thermite sparking. Thermite sparking at the wrong time and in the wrong place and the building goes over in an uncontrolled manor.

One spark in one charge is all it takes to throw the buildings way off target for collapse down the center, that is the problem with Dr. Jone's and Max's Thermite Ideas thermite sparking is likely in any charges of thermite do to the friction of the grains in the Charges as they are excited by shock waves from the impacts.

CC,

Would some kind of a binder - PlayDough, gum or resin, linseed oil - help reduce the chance of early ignition from friction?


Max

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[Jonnyclueless]

Lapman,

You are a bit confused.

Thermite was placed INSIDE perimeter box columns. There is no "apparatus" - the column itself is the thermite container.

Remember, just a dab'll do ya!

We are not cutting steel, juuuussssst heating it.

Cool.


Max

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[Crazy Chainsaw]

CC,

Would some kind of a binder - PlayDough, gum or resin, linseed oil - help reduce the chance of early ignition from friction?


Max

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Binders only worsen the problem the beams move vibrate, and the Shock waves cause friction at all interfaces.
The shock waves actually break the binders apart and as they fracture they create even more fiction along the surface than the particles moving individually.
Fluids however tend to reduce the friction but lead to other problems, Binders are practically useless against the intense shock waves generated in the impacts.
It is just not a good environment for he survival of thermite or thermate. One spark of one aluminum particle with one particle of iron oxide and the whole charge goes up.
hhttp://www.hse.gov.uk/lau/lacs/65-39b.htmttp://

THERMITE REACTION
5 A thermite spark, or thermite reaction, occurs when there is an impact between a light metal, or an alloy of that metal (e.g. an aluminium coupling), and rust on the surface of steel, or when some aluminium is smeared on a rusty steel object and that object impacts a hard surface, e.g. a concrete kerbstone. The thermite reaction is a chemical reaction in which an oxide is reduced by a reactive metal. Thermite sparks are more energetic than frictional sparks and therefore have a higher incendivity when they occur in a flammable environment.

Placing thermite in the column would be the dumbest move, I can think of Max that is were the shock waves would be strongest.
Why not just add a small amount of nano thermite compound to the insulation same effect and once the temperature of the fires reached a certain level the small pieces of aluminum would ignite destroying the insulation.
Or just add freaking air Bubbles under the insulation by injecting air into it, the expansion of the air bubbles would remove the insulation damaging the structure, just as Nist's fire proofing model suggests.
Any thing that compromises the buildings insulation brings the buildings down even with less damage to the core than Nist predicts there is simply to much gravitational PE. Once it gains momentum downward there is no way of stopping it.

I have thought of Hundreds of ways I could have done it, and tested each for merit on how it could have been done.

The easy simplest ways are more likely to work without raising suspicions and getting caught.

PS. my services are available to the New World Order for a price to design and engineer a perfect false flag operation for next time that will not be as complicated as 9/11/2001 and will be even less likely to be detected.
All I ask for compensation is my own little independent country, 30 trillion in gold and a never ending life time supply of young sports Illustrated swim suit models to date.
I guarantee a perfect, simple, undetectable Job, just for that little bit of compensation.

 

[pomeroo]

Binders only worsen the problem the beams move vibrate, and the Shock waves cause friction at all interfaces.
The shock waves actually break the binders apart and as they fracture they create even more fiction along the surface than the particles moving individually.
Fluids however tend to reduce the friction but lead to other problems, Binders are practically useless against the intense shock waves generated in the impacts.
It is just not a good environment for he survival of thermite or thermate. One spark of one aluminum particle with one particle of iron oxide and the whole charge goes up.
hhttp://www.hse.gov.uk/lau/lacs/65-39b.htmttp://


Placing thermite in the column would be the dumbest move, I can think of Max that is were the shock waves would be strongest.
Why not just add a small amount of nano thermite compound to the insulation same effect and once the temperature of the fires reached a certain level the small pieces of aluminum would ignite destroying the insulation.
Or just add freaking air Bubbles under the insulation by injecting air into it, the expansion of the air bubbles would remove the insulation damaging the structure, just as Nist's fire proofing model suggests.
Any thing that compromises the buildings insulation brings the buildings down even with less damage to the core than Nist predicts there is simply to much gravitational PE. Once it gains momentum downward there is no way of stopping it.

I have thought of Hundreds of ways I could have done it, and tested each for merit on how it could have been done.

The easy simplest ways are more likely to work without raising suspicions and getting caught.

PS. my services are available to the New World Order for a price to design and engineer a perfect false flag operation for next time that will not be as complicated as 9/11/2001 and will be even less likely to be detected.
All I ask for compensation is my own little independent country, 30 trillion in gold and a never ending life time supply of young sports Illustrated swim suit models to date.
I guarantee a perfect, simple, undetectable Job, just for that little bit of compensation.

Chainsaw, you're taking unfair advantage of Max: You know what you're talking about. Blanchard ridiculed Max's idiocy about using lasers to ignite thermite when a responsible crackpot would have had the lasers do the job thermite is unsuited for.

 

[uruk]

Since when is it considered "Hindsight" to use data collected after an event to describe the event?

Collecting all the available data and not jumping to conclusions until its all in is Science.

I don't find anything wrong with that. But Apollo seems to call into question Blanchard's observation of the video / pictures.
I was trying to point out that Apollo's assement was pointless because you can clearly see the majority of the debris did in fact fall outside the buildings foot print from the pictures taken after the collapse.

 

[uruk]

<--My avatar denies any responsibility for the collapse. He was at Acme Labs that entire night.

How can we be sure that it wasn't a hologram or a guinepig painted like a trained geneticaly engineered steel chewing rat?

Hey I'm just asking questions.

 

[ElMondoHummus]

<--My avatar denies any responsibility for the collapse. He was at Acme Labs that entire night.

Liar. I distinctly heard him ask Pinky if he was pondering what he wa... er... uh... by "he", I mean Pinky... no, wait, "Brain"... damn, pronoun trouble... stream of consciousness writing has unpredictable linguistic pitfalls...