Bjarne on: Dark Energy, only an illusion.

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In a high pressure air is falling. RC tried to deny that.
Liar.
As I stated:
You need to learn some basic physics,Bjarne.
Pressure has little to do with "air falling down". Differences in pressure is a cause of winds. Some winds can be downwards (downdrafts) but these are more often caused by cooling air.

Crap
No evidence at all.
Don’t try to tell me; that someone have followed a dust devil ? film it ? the hole way until it end as a hurricane ? – HOW ? - did he use a helicopter? Hans you and RC are in fantasy land now.
Crap
Toatl ignorance.
No one is telling you that "someone have followed a dust devil". Do not project your delusions and ignorance on us.

The observable physical evidence is as described above - random temperature fluctuations from many sources create easterly waves, easterly waves are the source of many hurricanes.

CENTRAL GRAVITY.

Bjarne's "central gravity" completely debunked

...usual rant...
Is it possible to prevent hurricane still not created ?

YES IT IS.

YES WE CAN.
Is it possible to prevent hurricane still not created ?

NO IT IS NOT.

NO WE CANNOT

SEE I CAN PUT THINGS IN CRACKPOT BOLD ALL UPPERCASE TOO :D

 
random temperature fluctuations from many sources create easterly waves, easterly waves are the source of many hurricanes.

Only silly speculation.
 
Why should I ? - Science is full of thesis, one more or less what difference does that make ?
Well at least you're admitting that your nonsense makes no difference.

On the other hand, you are the one insisting on applying rules of strict scientific procedure to everything but your own ideas, do you suppose that might seem at little disingenuous, to be very polite.


In a high pressure air is falling. RC tried to deny that.
No, you were completely failing to understand reality.


Crap
No evidence at all.
Constantly failing to understand the way science works is not really a basis for proclaiming emphatically on the state of current knowledge.


CENTRAL GRAVITY.
Nope


Consider how would the Universe look like if : Matter consumes space?
Why would I do that?


Hence space would be “fetched” from an outwards direction.
You really haven't thought this idea through very well have you.


We can say: there is more space in one cubic meter than only one cubic meter,
Since that would be a measure of volume, we cannot say that.


or space has “density” – this is something we already KNOW.
Well done, however you don't need silly quite marks, density means mass per unit volume not some special Bjarne definition.


It is caused by the same space vacuum property.
Which you made up.


Measurement can and will confirm that soon, then we will be a lot wiser.
Yet you continue to pronounce on the issue without any of the scientific evidence you insist upon in others.


If you also would ask how can space be consumed by matter ? then read this > http://www.science27.com/english/quantum_physics.html
If anyone is tempted to do this, please make sure there are no hard objects within head banging range.


This is only possible if it wind moves north (or south) – OR if gravity is part of the deal.
Nope.


It is explained already.
Not to the satisfaction of anyone but you.


why can we then not predict whether a hurricane will weaken or strengthen, how much or which direction it will take?
We can. Prediction is not the problem, accurate prediction over a useful timeframe is the problem.

In case you hadn't noticed, the earth is quite big with lots of stuff on the surface and above it. This stuff affects the weather which means modelling it accurately requires a lot of calculations done very quickly.


Ask you self 100 times these equations. This is what REEL scientist does.
But not you apparently.
 

I would be careful referencing that site. It very clearly demonstrates that you don't have a clue.

Why should I ? - Science is full of thesis, one more or less what difference does that make ?

Your thesis makes absolutely no difference. It also makes absolutely no sense.

In a high pressure air is falling. RC tried to deny that.

No.

Crap
No evidence at all.
Don’t try to tell me; that someone have followed a dust devil ? film it ? the hole way until it end as a hurricane ? – HOW ? - did he use a helicopter? Hans you and RC are in fantasy land now.

Of course not. If you see a train enter a tunnel, and a minute later that train comes out of the other end of the tunnel, you don't need to follow it all the way to know what happened. .... Make that a cow, if it makes it easier for you to understand.

Bjarne, go down to the library, and borrow a few books on on meteorology.

I recommend to start with this one: Meteorologi for Sejlere, by Sven Albrechtsen.

READ them, take notes and try to understand. If anything is unclear, you are welcome to ask about it here.

You will learn two very important lessons:

1) You will learn some basic meteorology.
2) You will learn that there are actually a lot of people out here who know a lot of stuff you don't know.

Consider how would the Universe look like if : Matter consumes space?

It would, obviously, run out of space fairly soon. I have asked before, but, heck, let's try again: Where does all that space come from, and where does it go, once mass has 'consumed' it?

Since, for your idea to make the slightest bit of sense, that 'space' must represent energy, how would the system keep from running out of entropy?

Hence space would be “fetched” from an outwards direction.

Do you really not realize how silly that idea is?

We already know space have a stretching property.
So what you shall imaging is that: Space is stretching towards matter. (This is what the curvature of space means.)

Even if we express the curvature of space in that way, it obviously does not imply that matter consumes space.

This mean that the curvature of space and the expanding space, - happens due to the exact same stretching property of space. These phenomena’s are united.

If you choose to define curvature and expanding as the same, then they are .... the same, and not two phenomena. If they are two phenomena, they are not the same. So make up your mind.

In the same way that space can be fetched from an outwards direction, it can also from an inwards direction.

Please translate to some human language.

We can say: there is more space in one cubic meter than only one cubic meter, or space has “density” – this is something we already KNOW.

We? You and your cow, perhaps. Space, or rather, space-time has a structure, but you cannot say it has density for any meaningful definition of that word.

This mean our understanding of gravity is completely wrong, for example ADG (acceleration due to gravity)

No, it does not mean that.

is NOT decreasing towards the center of a mass, - but either stable (in a homogeneous mass) or increasing.

No, that does not follow. Not even from your own thesis.

Simply because the access to inner space and hence the consuming effect on inner space is increasing proportional with the amount of mass encircling a central point of space.

What is inner space?

Understanding this also require that you understand; what is mass attraction ? - It is caused by the same space vacuum property. (competition to get/consume space)

Mass attraction is another term for gravity.

We can only assume / consider whether the access to inner space require the same effort as access /fetching space from an outwards direction, - if so ADG will be accelerating.

Gibberish

Measurement can and will confirm that soon, then we will be a lot wiser.

So far, all measurements have contradicted your thesis.


DTU have now ordered new software to modulate.

To ... modulate? What does that mean?
Some height measurement was wrong (difference between the staircase and inside) .

I told you that long ago.

The building have a cellar,

Surprise, surprise! The building has a cellar, indeed. This shows the absolutely amateurish level of your 'research': After working on this for a year, you discover, to your apparent surprise, that a 30 story building has a basement! Tell me, don't houses in Kolding usually have basements?

this gives problem to assume the FAG from ground level.

That is funny, Bjarne! When I told you that your figures could be messed up by basement and foundations, you told me that it didn't matter. :rolleyes:

I consider more measurements.

Bjarne, next time, make a proper protocol, or don't bother at all.

Now first the silo measurement shall be finished.

Oh, the suspense. :rolleyes:


This is only possible if it wind moves north (or south) – OR if gravity is part of the deal.

(On Coriolis effect). When a thermal bubble rises, wind comes in from all directions to fill the resultant low pressure. The winds in the Northern and Southern quadrants veer right due to the Coriolis effect (on the Northern hemisphere). What do you think the winds in the Eastern and Western quadrants have to do then? Right? They must also veer to the right. This starts the rotation. Gravity has nothing to do with that.

It is explained already.

Yes, yes, you have explained and explained, but none of it makes any sense.

1.First at all: either stable or increasing ADG towards the center. We have calculated and discuss that in details already.

"We"? You and mother cow, perhaps? There is no gravity field because the mass of air in a low pressure is lower. Otherwise, it would be a high pressure, as you have pointed out yourself.

2. Second
Furthermore a cloud system has weak “solid disk” property.

Not really, no.

This can contain of hundreds of “local gravitionel fields” that all are connected (to a certain degree) to a bigger one,(BIG "L") due to the fact that matter also sucks space towards a central direction.

Gibberish. And you cannot argue that matter sucks, because that is your own unconfirmed thesis. You cannot support a thesis by referring to it, that is called circular argumentation.

Because a cloud system is connected in a way not previously understood,

It is not connected in a way previously not understood. We perfectly well understand the physics of a cloud system.

- the Coriolis will also to the same (certain) degree rotate such unity held together by gravity / mass attraction between local gravitational fields.

No, the Coriolis effect cannot rotate a 'solid' disk. It can only rotate a disk that consists of winds converging on the center.

WHAT IS MISSING
If hurricanes just are caused by vapour, warm air, and Coriolis, why can we then not predict whether a hurricane will weaken or strengthen, how much or which direction it will take?

1) Why would gravity make it easier to predict?

2) We cannot predict it precisely because we don't know every wind, temperature, and moisture on Earth. A hurricane is a partly chaotic system, and such systems are extremely complex to predict. I could explain more, but you are both unable and unwilling to understand.

.... I'll do it anyway, for other readers:

Even if we knew, in sufficient detail, every meteorological parameter in all the possible paths of a hurricane, because a hurricane is a partly chaotic system, we need to know the complete algorithm of each hurricane. That is, we need to know how this particular hurricane will react to a given complex of stimuli. And since there is no way we can 'read out' the internal chaotic functions, and since no two hurricanes are alike, even if we had some sci-fi supercomputer, we could not predict its behavior exactly. What we do instead, and do with considerable success, is make general short-term predictions on possible scenarios.

Ask you self 100 times these equations. This is what REEL scientist does.

No, that is what idiots do.

Hans
 
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If you see a train enter a tunnel, and a minute later that train comes out of the other end of the tunnel
The problem is: that there is no train entering the tunnel.
ONLY speculation and base on that out comes a hurricane "sometimes" without anybody really KNOW why. Guessing is not science. - Not before you objective observe the dust devil ends up as a hurricane.

Off course you can claim that there certainly was a cow breathing in Africa before the hurricane and that is the reason.
I suggest; sell all this "eastern wave” bluff to the UFO movie makers and religious sects..

Bjarne, go down to the library, and borrow a few books on on meteorology.
Why should I, - already I know the pope have his “fingerprint” in that book.
Amen.

You will learn that there are actually a lot of people out here who know a lot of stuff you don't know
Yes, - for example the techniques how of mass brainwash the majority.
Yes I don’t know how this really is possible.
But I am not interested to learn about it.
Amen.

It would, obviously, run out of space fairly soon
Possible right.
And the result would be the cause to a BigCrunch.
I too believe so.
Amen.

Where does all that space come from, and where does it go, once mass has 'consumed' it?
And you forgot to ask;
Why is the universe expanding so much ?
Where does "that" space come from ?
Is the curvature of space really so simple as stretching space.?
I suggest ask here > [email protected] - this is a way to find out.

When a thermal bubble rises, wind comes in from all directions to fill the resultant low pressure.
Already here the turbo runs hot.
WHAT is a “thermal bubble” – except fantasy.(?)
And even if there are places with warmer air, this can’t trigger any rotation. Just faster wind speed compared to a different place.

Right? They must also veer to the right. This starts the rotation.
No.
This is exactly that silly as when you claimed that clouds are lighter than the surrounding air.

No, the Coriolis Effect cannot rotate a 'solid' disk
Off course it can, wind (the atmosphere) does not flow with the same speed by the equator compared to further north?
A big “disk” hanging in the air MUST start rotate, due to Coriolis.
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Hans this again demonstrate that you blab la la too much about something you haven’t understood.

Why would gravity make it easier to predict?
When an east moving hurricane e.g.; lose mass (rain) south for its center it will rotate slower and it will slowly relocate its low pressure towards the north (which means its direction) to the North. The relocation will also make the rotation and hence the hurricane slower.

We cannot predict it precisely because we don't know every wind, temperature, and moisture on Earth.
Crap, this is not why.
If that was so simple, why would scientist admit that: Hurricanes are not fully understood. "Something" important knowledge is missing.

Even if we knew, in sufficient detail, every meteorological parameter in all the possible paths of a hurricane, because a hurricane is a partly chaotic system, we need to know the complete algorithm of each hurricane.
Crap a hurricane is just a big stupid machine, it should be possible to predict pretty exactly, exactly as you can predict when a jumbo jet is out of fuel. We already know pretty exactly , - the ocean temperature, - clouds on the path, - air temperature etc.
These ingredients are not to blame for the fact that : hurricanes are not fully understood.
 
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Total demonstration of ignorance.

Ignore countdown: ZERO

Bye bye, Bjarne.

Hans
 
Guessing is not science.
Then I suggest you either stop guessing about everything or stop pretending you know science.


Why should I, - already I know the pope have his “fingerprint” in that book.
Thats right Bjarne, science is a papist plot. :boggled:


Possible right.
And yet we haven't run out of space in 13.75 billion years, it could almost lead one to think that you don't know what you are talking about.

Trying to sabotage your own ideas is an interesting way to support them.


I too believe so.
Not too, just you.


And you forgot to ask;
Apparently you forgot to answer the question, is that because you can't?


Why is the universe expanding so much ?
What do you consider "so much"?


Where does "that" space come from ?
The universe is becoming less dense, but does not require more space to expand.


I suggest ask here > [email protected] - this is a way to find out.
Again with the silly catholic baiting, what's your problem?


WHAT is a “thermal bubble” – except fantasy.(?)
Meteorological fact, that's what.


Off course it can, wind (the atmosphere) does not flow with the same speed by the equator compared to further north?
Wind and the atmosphere are different things.

Also, a glance at a wind atlas will demonstrate that your assertion about latitudes is incorrect.


A big “disk” hanging in the air MUST start rotate, due to Coriolis.
Try looking up the Coriolis effect, making sure it's in reference to meteorology, and reading the article carefully.


When an east moving hurricane e.g.; lose mass (rain) south for its center it will rotate slower and it will slowly relocate its low pressure towards the north (which means its direction) to the North. The relocation will also make the rotation and hence the hurricane slower.
That whole section is relentlessly stupid, but I have to ask: Do you really believe that hurricanes only rain to the south?


If that was so simple
Are you trying to claim that modelling the climate is simple and that the US uses the world's fastest supercomputer to study climate science for fun?


Crap a hurricane is just a big stupid machine, it should be possible to predict pretty exactly, exactly as you can predict when a jumbo jet is out of fuel. We already know pretty exactly , - the ocean temperature, - clouds on the path, - air temperature etc.
These people don't seem to think it's a simple process.
 
Are you trying to claim that modeling the climate is simple and that the US uses the world's fastest supercomputer to study climate science for fun?
Therefore we are able to predict the next step of a hurricane; - all we need is to add gravity.

but I have to ask: Do you really believe that hurricanes only rain to the south?
I believe this (mainly) sometimes can happens, (the place these are born) - and that we in the very soon future will fight beginning cloud rotation system from South, - to weaken hurricanes heading Central America. This is the most effective place to attack.
 
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Therefore we are able to predict the next step of a hurricane
That's not an answer, that's you avoiding the question again.


all we need is to add gravity.
And that's you avoiding reality again.


I believe this (mainly) sometimes can happens, (the place these are born) - and that we in the very soon future will fight beginning cloud rotation system from South, - to weaken hurricanes heading Central America. This is the most effective place to attack.
Mainly sometimes can happen, what sort of nonsense is that.

I suppose that you have scientific evidence to support these magic south raining hurricanes?

If you don't, I believe the phrase would be "THIS is NOT evidence , - but ONLY fantasy / speculation."
 
I suppose that you have scientific evidence to support these magic south raining hurricanes?
South is warmer, which mean clouds (sometimes) faster get heavy, = rain.


the paths they take are predicted all the time
And far from always what happens.
 
I believe this (mainly) sometimes can happens, (the place these are born) - and that we in the very soon future will fight beginning cloud rotation system from South, - to weaken hurricanes heading Central America. This is the most effective place to attack.
That is farily much gibberish.
But maybe you are talking about the science-fictional proposals to control the formation of hurricanes by techniques such as exploding nuclear bombs to disrupt their structure. In that case an effective place to attack would be where the storms form - near Africa not near Central America.

Putting from South in bold is strange but then all of your posts are strange, see
 
South is warmer, which mean clouds (sometimes) faster get heavy, = rain.
Even in bizarro Bjarne world hurricanes rotate, which makes your very silly post very very silly indeed.


And far from always what happens.
So which is it? Really easy to predict accurately or quite difficult, you can't have both at the same time.
 
n that case an effective place to attack would be where the storms form - near Africa not near Central America
Yes near Africa, this I have written all the time
In the last post I wrote "heading" Central America
Is "heading" really a wrong expression ?
I mean low pressure that is on their way to Central America
 
Yes near Africa, this I have written all the time
In the last post I wrote "heading" Central America
Is "heading" really a wrong expression ?
I mean low pressure that is on their way to Central America
Then we agree.

Of course this still leaves your delustion that your fantasy of "central gravity" (Bjarne's "central gravity" completely debunked) is the trigger of hurricanes when it is actually:
What is an easterly wave ?
It has been recognized since at least the 1930s (Dunn 1940) that lower tropospheric (from the ocean surface to about 5 km [3 mi] with a maximum at 3 km [2 mi]) westward traveling disturbances often serve as the "seedling" circulations for a large proportion of tropical cyclones over the North Atlantic Ocean. Riehl (1945) helped to substantiate that these disturbances, now known as African easterly waves, had their origins over North Africa. While a variety of mechanisms for the origins of these waves were proposed in the next few decades, it was Burpee (1972) who documented that the waves were being generated by an instability of the African easterly jet. (This instability - known as baroclinic-barotropic instability - is where the value of the potential vorticity begins to decrease toward the north.) The jet arises as a result of the reversed lower-tropospheric temperature gradient over western and central North Africa due to extremely warm temperatures over the Saharan Desert in contrast with substantially cooler temperatures along the Gulf of Guinea coast

 
Then we agree.


And soon you'll be "forced" to agree much more :

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Central gravity will emerge in all the "L"

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That "different parts" of a thunder cloud system do have stronger mutual mass-attraction as previous considered.

This old mistake is possible, due to completely failure understanding the central nature of gravity as well as the nature of mass attraction.

This (weak) "disk-like-property" is the truth reason to why the Coriolis can trigger, maintain and accelerate the rotation of a thunder cloud system moving straight > East > West .

This is the missing link scientist is looking for..

As a result of a rotating clouds system (+ mass attraction) gather clouds closer together, - this leads to stronger mass attraction, > and therefore stronger rotation.

The dangerous thing is:
That mass attraction (between thunderclouds and the cloud-system center) keeps a system together to a certain degree, and therefore the (amount of mass) / strength of mass attraction is responsible for how fast Coriolis can rotate a straight > East > West moving system.

The more mass, > the stronger mass system attraction > the more disk-like-property = the faster rotation due to Coriolis....

disk.jpg

It is the rotation that make hurricane so destructive.
 
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