Bjarne
Philosopher
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I think you are confusing yourself.Simple, that matter and energy that makes the earth has always disturb (so-called by you) the whole universe. If the curving of space would take energy, that was already paid for from the being of the universe when that energy and matter where made.
If you want to play games with this idea of yours (which is wrong), an object that would have to put energy into curving space has it went thru it, would have that energy returned after it left that space it curved, else where was that energy going. Into the space, and why doesn't that show up
Your idea does not hold up.
Paul
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You do not need to mix gravity into this parts of the discussion.
Resistance against motion is only caused by the connection between space and matter; - “gravity resistance” comes in addition to that.
Off course, you can’t close your eyes for the fact that space and matter is connected, the curvature os space proves that.It is. I notice you have adapted the 'curved' space notion, now.
But it is not just to “adapt the curved space” – the cause of Mass Attraction is not explained by Einstein / GR, but by Newton.
That (none GR) parts you MUST adapt too, - which make the logic that much clearer: Space and matter is connected – both seen from on a relativistic as well as classic perspective.
Ohh progress.The deformation moves, not space. Like if you roll a ball on a rubber sheet.
BUT, - First at all, the deformation IS space.
It is space itself that deforms.
There is NOTHING else out there that deforms except space. (and the dust)
There are no difference between the "deformation" and "space".
You can impossible distinguish? because there is nothing to distinguish between..
A grain of sand (strictly spoken) affects the whole universe, so what you are saying is: YES you agree to that “deformed space around the grain of sand” moves when the grain of sand moves. Which means you finally accept the: "Deformed Space in motion concept"
I think we must understand space for example around the sun as a “gliding clutch” - Space resist the rotation and deformed space can even break / snap. – You do normally refer to that phenomena like: the magnetic field at the sun “snap / breaks” - it is the elastic / deformed nature of space that are so (strange).
So you really believe it is possible that curved space could be the cause of the Earth, and stars creation, and that it except this is no connection??. Ohh yehh, we have freedom of believe..but I think even not farmers would buy this.Depends on what is the cause and what is the action, gravity or curved space.
The problem with that is, - it still does not explain the cause of mass attraction, - so you are still forces to admit that matter/ space are connected. Otherwise a heavy stone on your feet would not be heavy. You wouldn’t be able to feel it, because WHAT is the cause of the heavy weight you feel? ( = Mass attraction and this also works with space between)
This wouldn’t happen without a reason, and this is the point....What makes you think I believe that? I just explained to you that it requires energy to set something in motion
You don’t know that reason, - I believe I do.
Cows and bulls worldwide all agree to that simple point that space must resist motion, otherwise you should not use increeasing amount of energy to get a a diminishing increase in speed..
But, - I know "we" human can be VERY different from cows, - without I really can understand the logical reason to that silly difference, - even though I try hard to understand that (illogical) difference.
I guess it must have something to do with all the strange dimension and parallel universes that now have been invented. I wonder if the next news is that also people lives in these strange worlds. I am at least sure there are no (logical thinking) cows flying these altitudes. .
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