Bjarne on: Dark Energy, only an illusion.

[Bjarne]

And the fun continues.

Here we see the denial tactics. I have said that we can point to it. We were talking about energy, but now he calls it M, and just keeps claiming I can't point to it.

It makes no difference you can also not point to E, in that moment a planet have lost some of its KE

 

[Bjarne]

And, let's throw in something entirely irrelevant: Magnet fields.

Hans

So, where does the energy come from do you believe, - if anything?
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=galaxies-mysterious-magne

 

[Bjarne]

And of course, Bjarne completely misses that it is not the shape of Sena's orbit that is the mystery. It is that it is where it is.

Hans it is so borrowing to discuss with you, because you even denies common knowledge.
For example check this before you bla bla bla bla bla bla bla tooooooo much

Typical, if Hans fell himself forced into the corner he lies.

Try to Google this

It's a mystery why Sedna has such an elongated orbit,

473 results.

 

[DazzaD]

Hehe.. no understanding of the term potential let alone energy

What is energy Bjarne?

Can you put your finger on it?

Literally?

What is the scientific 'definition' of energy?

How do we measure it?

WHY is conservation of energy such a corner stone of physics?
Or any conservation law?

 

[MRC_Hans]

Yeah, we missed that: Argument by Google.

Borrowing?

ETA: Point to? Can Bjarne point to the data in his computer? The knowledge in his head? .... wait .... scratch that.



Hans

 

[Alex Cured]

Mysterious Sedna

And what does the bean shaped "orbit" of Cruithne demonstrate?
According to the otherwise excellent QI, it's a satellite of the Earth!
(No one has a monopoly on being right/wrong)

 

[DazzaD]

Try to Google this

It's a mystery why Sedna has such an elongated orbit,

473 results.

Google this

Bjarne is wrong

About 4,220,000 results

Hmm...

 

[Bjarne]

And what does the bean shaped "orbit" of Cruithne demonstrate?
According to the otherwise excellent QI, it's a satellite of the Earth!
(No one has a monopoly on being right/wrong)
[qimg]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/Horseshoe_orbit_of_Cruithne_from_the_perspective_of_Earth.gif[/qimg]

I think this is no mystery, but just perturbation due to the pull from the sun and planets. ‘Or ?

 

[Bjarne]

Google this

Bjarne is wrong

About 4,220,000 results

Hmm...

Google show now 475 result

 

[DazzaD]

Google show now 475 result

so what about the direct questions I posed? any progress?

 

[Bjarne]

Hehe.. no understanding of the term potential let alone energy

What is energy Bjarne?

Can you put your finger on it?

Literally?

It is
Absorbed space density and disturbances in the space density (EM-Waves)

WHY is conservation of energy such a corner stone of physics?

Energy can often converts from one kind to another , but potential energy is still not energy, or mass.

 

[Bjarne]

RR forces stars inwards, so long these moves towards the RR direction.

RR is causing deceleration but the result is immediately turned to acceleration, whereby potential gravity is lost .
So the inwards "fall" is causing the speed to increase.

In the opposite direction of the RR, - the "following wind” zone, - stars are forced outward, - but this is due to the central pedal force.
The “orbit” speed is much too large relative to the low gravity force of a galaxy, - to that a Keplerian orbit can be maintained.

But gravity is strong enough just to prevent the stars from escaping and therefore to slowly turn the motion direction so the motion again is towards the RR direction, and again stars are forced inwards.

(But well it can happen a parts of a galaxy is lost)

This is how it goes, - in endless cycles.
Stars are forced inwards and then outwards, then inwards and then outwards etc...

This is why speed is completely different like we are used to think.

It is this process that also feed the black hole with new stars.
Not all will survey to be forced inwards.

 

[DazzaD]

"this is how it goes - in endless cycles"

seems about right for your evasion of answering direct and simple questions...

 

[Reality Check]

How did Sedna get into the strange orbit?
It should be impossible.
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2004/16mar_sedna/

This article published 9 years ago does not state that the orbit is impossible. Science has several explanations for the orbit of Sedna.

The answer is again due to RR.

872 days and the answer to Does Bjarne know basic physics (unit-less quantities cannot be arbitrarily assigned units) is still no !

Why RR is a fantasy and Bjarne debunks RR again and again!

GR does solve the Mercury Perihelion Precession Anomaly and your ignorance of this remains abysmal.

Gibberish about rulers does not help your case. GR has no rulers.


Lies about your fanatasy of RR do not help your case. A fantasy that you cannot even express in the correct units does not solve

• The Flyby Anomalies (no valid calculations).
• The cause of the Pioneer Anomalies (The Pioneer anomaly proves that Bjarne's "kinetic resistance" does not exist ).
• That stars continue to be dragged into the galaxies’ black holes. (This is wrong - stars are not dragged into supermassive black holes. They orbit them. Matter from stars can be draged into the BH.). There is no broblem with matter ("stars") continuing to be dragged into the galaxies’ black holes: *) note1 Also: (no valid calculations) http://translate.google.dk/translate...6/27105328.htm
• The long term (known) weak eccentricity anomaly of the moon. (no valid calculations)
• That Spiral galaxies can last much longer than the expected 1 billion years (Bjarne disproves RR using spiral galaxies!) Also no valid calculations and displays ignorance.
• The Milankovitch cycle problem of 100,000 years, and all other ice age cycle mysteries. (no valid calculations)
• Stars in a dwarf galaxy swarm like bees in a beehive instead of moving in nice, circular orbits like a spiral galaxy (no valid calculations)
• It predicts a periodical short term, relatively large perigee / apogee anomaly of the Moon’s orbit, still not discovered. (no valid calculations)
• It solves the Sedna orbit Anomaly. (no valid calculations)

*) note1: Therefore, eating black holes as much is an article about how we know more about how matter is dragged into black holes!
Also see the NASA article: Clues to Black Hole Growth Beginning to Add Up

 

[Paul]

Bjarne,

What does transforming between frames for kinetic energy have to do with deceleration with a single observer?

Also,

do you know why (γ-1) is in E=mc2 for kinetic energy in the first place?

why did you add -1 to your equation?

why do you think you can ignore units just because of an arbitrary time restriction?

 

[MRC_Hans]

*NEWSFLASH* Bjarne discovers new force in the universe. Explains why cycling uphill is so hard:

the central pedal force.

In other news: Rain in Western Norway.....


Hans

 

[Bjarne]

(no valid calculations)

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Of course there are no "exact calculations" - (deceleration that turns into acceleration must be calculated and implemented / modifed.)
I have come to a food of the RR Mountain.
This is a completely new aspect of science..
It will take thousand of intelligent humans and cows plenty of time to learn and get all the last experience.
For me it is only hobby
I have work to also.
But little by little I understand a little more.

For example , this morning just before went out of bed I understood that when stars are forced away from the center of galaxies due to the centripetal force ( opposite the RR direction) they actually decelerate.
Yesterday I thought they would accelerate .
So now I have to modify my video when I get time.

Another example.
First time I looked at Sedna’s strange orbit I could not understand why only Sedna’s orbit was so extreme elongate relative to other objects “near by”.
I put the problem on standby and suddenly the answer was there.
It is off course due to an extreme long perihelion precession period, ( roughly 50 000 million years) and yes it is possible to calculate (precise) .
Intelligent mathematician (cows and humans) can even do it exact when they not are too lazy.

Off course my calculation is not 100% enough.

Math borrows me, - I hate it and I don’t want even to try to get it 100% correct.
Whether the period is 100 million years or 10 million years, I give a dame.
For me it is enough to have a sketch.
For me it is the overall coherent picture that matter.

Even when I would tell you that for example Sedna's Precession period the period would be exactly 23,845,986 years – which difference would it make?
We cannot prove it anyway right now, and you would anyway bal bla bla bla holy creeds
BUT we can only BEGIN to understand that Dark Matter is naïve religion (and that there are a down to earth alternative)

You could participate. But from the beginning you have chosen to be an orthodox holy windbag.
My friend, it is never too late to take a brake and ask yourself if you too have been victim for systematical brainwash.

As I wrote it is all a long process to understand all the details. And yes you are right I give a dame in details.

I have seen the RR Mountain and make a simple “sketch” of it., and I am trying to improve it , so that everybody can see it is a coherent mountain.
I have described the entire math so good I could, so that intelligent humans and stupid cows can begin to understand how it approximated look likes.

One day you too will be forced to climb it, when you want to understand more, and get out of an old heavy mass hypnotized dream.
And one day hundred thousand unemployed previous higgs sect member, dark matter sect members, dark energy sect members, and big bang sect members, and other brainwashed innocent people, can do the borrowing math.

 

[DazzaD]

It is good that you are honest enough to admit that some of the maths is incorrect and you find it challenging.

With regards to one point (for now)...centripetal force acts TOWARDS the centre of the circle in circular motion... not away.

The stars are being pulled 'towards' the 'middle' of the galaxy .. that is why they are in that orbit and not just whizzing off in a straight line out of the galaxy.

A very common misunderstanding

 

[DazzaD]

"Math borrows me, - I hate it and I don’t want even to try to get it 100% correct.
Whether the period is 100 million years or 10 million years, I give a dame.
For me it is enough to have a sketch.
For me it is the overall coherent picture that matter. "


Possibly.. sometimes...

But you brought up the issue of the precession of the perihelion of Mercury...with regards to the GR 'fix' that modifies Newtonian mechanics...

The difference is on the order of 43 arc seconds per century.

An arc minute is 1/60 of a single degree
An arc second is 1/60 of an arc MINUTE

per CENTURY


The change is staggeringly small (but measurable)...

So you cannot be so blaise about the mathematics... it is all in the detail here and the maths has to be correct and precise.


Now, astrophysicists are notorious for their 'estimations'... sometimes to within a factor of 100 IS good enough.. but that is because of a simplified model or lack of data... not because of a lack of maths or willingness to engage with it.

 

[Alex Cured]

*NEWSFLASH* Bjarne dicovers new force in the universe. Explains why cycling uphill is so hard:

hee-hee!

It's 'unintentional' comedy like that that does make we wonder if Bjarne isn't really just having us on