Bjarne on: Dark Energy, only an illusion.

[MRC_Hans]

I'm generally in agreement with you Hans and Reality Check among others, and I've been enjoying this thread as a non-member (in a masochistic sort of way ) for a while now.

Welcome to the forum! I admit it takes a bit of masochism to participate in threads like this.

So then apologies but even though I'm only a newly minted forum member, I'm going to have to quibble with you on this.

Here, we judge people not on their post count, but on the sense they make.

I think the size and direction of time dilation would depend on the height at which the satellite was orbiting.

Certainly, but if you have followed this thread, you might know that we are not at that level of sophistication at all. We are trying to explain that acceleration is not measured in meters per second, that squaring only equals doubling if the number happens to be 2, and that time dilation happens in one and the same reality.

Should we ever be able to proceed from that, I would be quite happy to delve into such detail, but I'm afraid I have given up hope.

Hans

 

[id est]

Welcome to the forum!

Thank you Hans

 

[steenkh]

We are trying to explain that acceleration is not measured in meters per second, that squaring only equals doubling if the number happens to be 2, and that time dilation happens in one and the same reality.

Do not forget that we have also tried to explain for him that clouds are not lighter than air!

 

[MRC_Hans]

Do not forget that we have also tried to explain for him that clouds are not lighter than air!

Please don't remind me of that thread. Another disaster.

Hans

 

[id est]

I'm afraid I have given up hope.
Hans

"Lasciate ogni speranza, voi ch'entrate!"

 

[Paul]

Esattamente!

 

[Bjarne]

"lasciate ogni speranza, voi ch'entrate!"

한스와 rc는 여기에 있기 때문에 그것은 여야합니다

 

[Reality Check]

I mean both Josef Staling, Pol Pot, and Mr Kim Dae Jung, and many Oberststrumbanfuhrer , and probably also yourself and Hans would agree.

That is a really stupid Godwinism !
For a start "Josef Staling, Pol Pot, and Mr Kim Dae Jung, and many Oberststrumbanfuhrer" are not posting in this thread.
You are. You are the one demonstrating that

1. You are unskilled.
2. You cannot recognize your mistakes.

Thus: the Dunning–Kruger effect

Yet another fundamentally flawed idea from Bjarne

• Bjarne, Have you just found out that 2*2 = 4?
• Bjarne does not understand what the distance between 2 points is (r = the distance bwteen 2 3D points)!
• Bjarne, Can you count up to 4 (width, depth, height, time)?
• Bjarne demonstrates that he cannot count to 3

Bjarne, Given an equation, how do you determine the n in nD for it?
First asked 16th January 2012 (18 days and counting!)

Bjarne: Cite your 'loads of contradictions' for the Big Bang
First asked 21st October 2011 (105 days and counting!)

The fatal flaws and basic ignorance in Bjarne's ideas in his threads
(original full list to which more points have been linked)

847days and the answer to Does Bjarne know basic physics (unit-less quantities cannot be arbitrarily assigned units) is still no !

 

[Paul]

한스와 rc는 여기에 있기 때문에 그것은 여야합니다

Unsurprisingly, you make even less sense in Korean.

 

[Bjarne]

That is a really stupid Godwinism !
For a start "Josef Staling, Pol Pot, and Mr Kim Dae Jung, and many Oberststrumbanfuhrer" are not posting in this thread.
You are. You are the one demonstrating that

Josef Staling, Pol Pot, and Mr Kim Dae Jung, and many Oberststrumbanfuhrer are not nazies.
They just love to think for you, exactly like brainwashed professors and popes does.
Are you now dreaming again RC?

 

[DazzaD]

so with reference to my posts above bjarne

g or G?

SR thought experiments sound familiar?

units of acceleration?

 

[Reality Check]

...gibberish...
Are you now dreaming again RC?

No. I am awake and you are still have demonstrated that

1. You are unskilled.
2. You cannot recognize your mistakes.

Thus: the Dunning–Kruger effect

Yet another fundamentally flawed idea from Bjarne

• Bjarne, Have you just found out that 2*2 = 4?
• Bjarne does not understand what the distance between 2 points is (r = the distance bwteen 2 3D points)!
• Bjarne, Can you count up to 4 (width, depth, height, time)?
• Bjarne demonstrates that he cannot count to 3

Bjarne, Given an equation, how do you determine the n in nD for it?
First asked 16th January 2012 (18 days and counting!)

Bjarne: Cite your 'loads of contradictions' for the Big Bang
First asked 21st October 2011 (105 days and counting!)

The fatal flaws and basic ignorance in Bjarne's ideas in his threads
(original full list to which more points have been linked)

847days and the answer to Does Bjarne know basic physics (unit-less quantities cannot be arbitrarily assigned units) is still no !

 

[Bjarne]

No. I am awake and you are still have demonstrated that

1. You are unskilled.

Thank god for that.

You cannot recognize your mistakes.

Off course I can, much is only speculation, something can be wrong. I have change my mind many times.

Here follows one exsample..........
We know times tick different, we also know this is due to a strange property of space.
But think about why exactly time tick slower, for example in a gravitational field.
Do you even have an idea?

The problem is that we have probably only understood much less than 1% of what the properties of space really are.
The "curvature" is just a word, - both cows and space curves, - but that empty word “curve” is not enough to know what a cow or space really is, - or why times ticks slower in a gravitational field.

We understand that matter affects space somehow and create mass; - speed of a body does so too.
But we understood NOTHING about how and what all this is about.

You see I am off course willing to admit when something is obvious wrong.
But when nobody knows what is up or down, there is nothing to admit.
When I for exsample claim that time and distance always must stretch proportional, - is that claim obvious wrong?
If really so then show it. Evidence goes both ways.

But you see fact is that there are plenty brainwashed people, that not long ago was innocent open-minded student.
Now many of them are so brainwashed that they believe they know everything, for example everything about space and gravity. (Not to forget dark energy, dark matter big bang etc.)
Some are also so arrogant that they think they know everything of reality, and even deserve the holy omniscience name such as ,for example, - Reality Check etc…

Fools educated not to think them self, falls on their knees for such omniscience persons and believe in all their manipulation and brainwashed ideas.

This is just a shame, - arrogant superficial knowledge but also in many cases only brainwashed speculation is in fact something that prevent many intelligent people even to wonder what we really are dealing with.
All what is left for those that tries to break through challenges is only: scorn and envy.
It has always been so. Also Newton, Einstein or Bohr was treated so, - until beast and fools saw they were right.
Cows don’t treat each other like that; - they are on a much higher intelligent level.

 

[Paul]

Thank god for that.

At least you admit you're incompetent, it's just strange to be so proud of knowing nothing.

Off course I can, much is only speculation, something can be wrong. I have change my mind many times.

The problem is that you assert speculation, insist on being the arbiter of right or wrong, and only change your mind form one state of wrong to another.

Do you even have an idea?

Perhaps if you read any of the 5633 previous posts in this thread, you might have the answer to that rather silly question.

The problem is that we have probably only understood much less than 1% of what the properties of space really are.

Throwing around random numbers only increase the impression of ignorance on your part.

The "curvature" is just a word, - both cows and space curves, - but that empty word “curve” is not enough to know what a cow or space really is, - or why times ticks slower in a gravitational field.

The fact that you think that is a genuinely coherent observation only speaks to your complete disinterest in actually learning anything.

But we understood NOTHING about how and what all this is about.

This parade of stupid is really getting tedious.

You see I am off course willing to admit when something is obvious wrong.

No, you're not. When something is obviously wrong you ignore it, insist everyone else is wrong, pretend you held the opposing view all the time or attempt to change the subject.

Evidence goes both ways.

Not on this thread; evidence goes towards you and ignorance, denial, youtube and cows come back.

But you see fact is that there are plenty brainwashed people...

Are you aware of what a thesis is? What researchers do? How many different opinions there are amongst genuine scientists?

Some are also so arrogant that they think they know everything of reality...

No-one has claimed that, it's only another of your dishonest tactics to avoid genuine debate.


The rest of the post is too stupid to warrant any response.

 

[Daylightstar]

...
The problem is that we have probably only understood much less than 1% of what the properties of space really are. ...

That's the claim you make for others.
For yourself you make completely different claims:

You cannot explain any gravity phenomena without involve space, - can you ?
But the problem is only that "we" are not use to think about how this is possible.

A such philosophic framework must in all it s simplicity be able to explain both

• The cause of Mass attraction
• What is a Gravity Wave
• The Cause of Acceleration Due to Gravity
• How can matter affect space in a way that all this is possible?
• How is the property compared /relative to the property of expanding space?

The new theory can explain all that
Whether you can accept is or not doesn’t mean the thought is wrong, especially not when you have nothing to replace it.

...
This could explain that the Earth really is expanding
...
But it could also explain what so called dark energy really is.
...

See also:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7924036&postcount=5262

... cows ... cow ... Cows ...

More cows. Have you been plonking cows again, Bjarne? You must have a whole herd of them in a barn, Bjarne. I bet there must be one very special cow in there, the one you like to plonk the most, isn't there, Bjarne?!

 

[Daylightstar]

...
Also Newton, Einstein or Bohr was treated so, - until beast and fools saw they were right. ...

Hello again, Dunning–Kruger effect.

Recently noticed this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

Rings a bell, doesn't it?

Hans

It rings and it rings and it rings and .......

 

[DazzaD]

Still not answering my direct and simple maths and physics questions?
you said curvature was just a word. No. Not in GR.

Do you know what a Ricci tensor is? or the difference between covarient and contravarient? or a geodesic? cos THEN you might. begin to understand curvature and gravity.

 

[Daylightstar]

1. You are unskilled.

Thank god for that.

No Bjarne, your interpretation of this, that you are not incorporating what science knows at this time into your thinking, is invalid.

It's much worse than what you think. Not only do you not know science, but you do not know how to know science.

See? Much worse.

 

[Bjarne]

Still not answering my direct and simple maths and physics questions?
you said curvature was just a word. No. Not in GR..

It is just a word.
A word that is the reason that something happens in your imagination.
But "these 2 " are not identical.
You have no way of knowing what curvature of space really is, - except a word.
This is what i am saying, and that's a problem, because this is a dead end.
Maybe "stretching the space density" could take you closer to the "truth", maybe that word / expression was more coherent. This is what I am saying.

 

[DazzaD]

It is just a word.
A word that is the reason that something happens in your imagination.
But "these 2 " are not identical.
You have no way of knowing what curvature of space really is, - except a word.
This is what i am saying, and that's a problem, because this is a dead end.
Maybe "stretching the space density" could take you closer to the "truth", maybe that word / expression was more coherent. This is what I am saying.

Yes we do. We have a sound mathematical model that distinguishes between different types of curvature which makes testable predictions which are checked in a mryiad of experiments.

I ask again as you make yet another handwaving "you don't know what you are talking about" statement while contributing nothing but ignorance - do you know what a ricci tensor is? geodesic?

If not then it is YOU who knows nothing about curvature of space (or spacetime).