Bjarne on: Dark Energy, only an illusion.

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You clearly do not understand the relationship between the observation and the observed.

In this instance, you show that you "deny 1000 years science, but also to ignore how humans on the planet have understood reality in thousands of years":
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7988964&postcount=5506


According to your own words, this is "stupid":
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7988964&postcount=5506

Do you self a favor
Try to understand relativity and the fact that there is no certain reality out there.
It is obvious that none one here at the forum seems to have understood relativity.
If so you would have demonstrated how stupid I was to ask these questions:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7985097&postcount=5491
and off course someone would have answered these question.

But the problem is that so soon anyone should even try to answer these question, he will find that the ISS (according to the example) must be in its completely own reality - in its "own universe".

We simply cannot share the exact same reality with the ISS, even not if we both were in the exact same orbit / radius round the Sun.

After answering the questions, - you are ready for step 2, - this is to understand that reality is only local, and only inside you.
But this would be your own conclution. Science will force you to understand, so soon you understand science.

We don’t need religion to understand this, but it is off course interesting that humans on this planet always or at least in thousands of years, and worldwide seem to have understood reality. So maybe it is only in our time it all is a little concrete heavy to get the point.
 
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If so you would have demonstrated how stupid I was to ask these questions:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7985097&postcount=5491
and off course someone would have answered these question. ...

The problem with those questions (supported by earlier experience with your behavior) is that they indicate that educating you with respect to the subjects they touch on, is not really worthwhile.
It could also be said that with those questions, you yourself demonstrate:
... how stupid I was to ask these questions: ...

Or in clearer terms, you indicate you are really not worth it.

You are the one hawking messy unsupported vague ideas containing extremely poorly defined pseudo sciency stuff, new age crap and religion.
When asked for specifics, you run away like a little girl, or post moronic YouTube videos.
Every time you do this, you characterize yourself as a barbarian in knowledge and understanding.

Resistance to knowledge and understanding is your true trade mark.
 
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Do you self a favor
Try to understand relativity and the fact that there is no certain reality out there.
It is obvious that none one here at the forum seems to have understood relativity.
If so you would have demonstrated how stupid I was to ask these questions:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7985097&postcount=5491
and off course someone would have answered these question.

But the problem is that so soon anyone should even try to answer these question, he will find that the ISS (according to the example) must be in its completely own reality - in its "own universe".

there was no accident in me mentioning the precession of mercury. The GR 'fix' is a very common calculation in any introductory course on relativity. So if I, a trained astrophysicist, clearly don't understand relativity, then perhaps you can enlighten me by producing a tiny element of this calculation which cannot be found on Wikipedia (or perhaps be gracious enough to answer my other questions being as I was gracious enough to watch your videos and read your links as you requested).
 
The problem with those questions (supported by earlier experience with your behavior) is that they indicate that educating you with respect to the subjects they touch on, is not really worthwhile.
It could also be said that with those questions, you yourself demonstrate:


Or in clearer terms, you indicate you are really not worth it.

You are the one hawking messy unsupported vague ideas containing extremely poorly defined pseudo sciency stuff, new age crap and religion.
When asked for specifics, you run away like a little girl, or post moronic YouTube videos.
Every time you do this, you characterize yourself as a barbarian in knowledge and understanding.

Resistance to knowledge and understanding is your true trade mark.
I have understood the answers.
But I wonder if you have?
I believe not, if you had , - you would have answered.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7985097&postcount=5491
 
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there was no accident in me mentioning the precession of mercury. The GR 'fix' is a very common calculation in any introductory course on relativity. So if I, a trained astrophysicist, clearly don't understand relativity, then perhaps you can enlighten me by producing a tiny element of this calculation which cannot be found on Wikipedia (or perhaps be gracious enough to answer my other questions being as I was gracious enough to watch your videos and read your links as you requested).

I have understood the answers.
But I wonder if you have?
I believe not, if you had, - you would have answered the Questions.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7985097&postcount=5491
 
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This is strange, I have just been on a course in DP systems maintenance. It involved GPS and DGPS systems as well as other navigational aids.

Since they work, barring sunspots, all those scientists must have gotten something right.
 
This is strange, I have just been on a course in DP systems maintenance. It involved GPS and DGPS systems as well as other navigational aids.

Since they work, barring sunspots, all those scientists must have gotten something right.

I am not saying that they have got something wrong, because a clock is really ticking either slower or faster in different space-time, but I question whether we have understood that realties collides witch each other

Imagine the international space station (ISS) was orbiting the Sun (not the Earth) in the exact same orbit as the Earth does.

One complete orbit around the Sun (for the Earth and ISS) would not take the same amount of time, (since gravity is different at the ISS compared to Earth).

Here comes the question, that everyone that really has understood relativity easy should be able to answer.

What more as time consumption would change/be different?

  • Would 2 travelers (one at ISS and one at the Earth) agree that the circumstance of the exact same orbit is the excact the same for both observers?
  • Would both agree the orbit speedis the same for both observers?
  • Would laws of nature (gravity) be the same?
  • How it possible that 2 observes experiences the exactly same event, - and let us say both is moving with the exact same exact speed, and traveling the exact same orbit circumstance, - how is this possible when time consumption is different.
I mean every cow know that time multiplied with speed = distances.

  • So what is wrong? – Does the law of gravity only applies for the one traveler and is different for the other one ?
  • Now take this to this a bit more extreme, (so that not only cows understand the point) - let us make the time difference more extreme, let say Earth – ISS >> 1:2
  • Do you believe the ISS only would complete only one orbits when the Earth would complete ½ orbit?
Or WHAT
Do you really understand relativity?
I don’t believe you do.
Prove me wrong, - reply to the questions.
 
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Imagine the international space station (ISS) was orbiting the Sun (not the Earth) in the exact same orbit as the Earth does.
You appear to be entirely unable to understand your own postulate.
 
Here comes the question, that everyone that really has understood relativity easy should be able to answer.

Or WHAT
Do you really understand relativity?
I don’t believe you do.
Prove me wrong, - reply to the questions.

Do you is the question I posed earlier.

I believe I have understood it reasonably well... my earlier example mentioned the precession of Mercury for a good reason - it is often used in introductory courses as a calculation for the GR 'fix' to Newtonian mechanics.

Can you replicate any of the steps involved without referring to those calculations that appear on, say, Wikipedia?

Do YOU understand relativity is what I asked?

I also replied earlier to this and said the LAWS of physics would be the same for both the ISS and the Earth.

And

If they were in the exact same orbit can you tell me why the times of that orbit would be different?
 
Do you self a favor
Try to understand relativity and the fact that there is no certain reality out there.
Bjarne, Do yourself a favor.
Try to understand any physics (e.,g. relativity) and the fact that there is one reality out there that this physics describes.
 
I wonder why he picked cows to be the creatures of reference.

I'm not persuaded that they'd appreciate this distinction.
 
Let us first define "real"
...usual gibberish and a fantasy about an imaginary guy called Hans...
The fantasies of your imaginary friend do not matter.

Science defines real as what we can measure about the universe. To use an earlier example, the precession of Mercury is real because it is measured consistently by different people.
 
The fantasies of your imaginary friend do not matter.

Science defines real as what we can measure about the universe. To use an earlier example, the precession of Mercury is real because it is measured consistently by different people.

And the other point I made is that my questions were mostly mathematical in nature.

Reality or otherwise does not come into it. It does not matter if the mathematics represents a reality or not. All that matters is that the system of mathematics is internally consistent, well defined and you should be able to answer the questions set. This is regardless of what you perceive as reality and, accepting the given axioms/conventions etc, not something you can argue the validity of .... you are either right or you are not.

To use an example above.. it has been highlighted to you about

speed = distance divided by time

This is a simplistic definition that only really has merit if we consider a constant speed.

The real maths and physics that uses this really requires an integral of some description... this is vital in understanding, say, the precession of Mercury or the orbit of Earth and the ISS around the Sun.
 
I see the precession of Mercury has been mentioned. Whilst I'm what some would describe as an "Einstein fan", I have to say that there's a possible issue with this. See Paul Gerber on wiki:

"It was noted by the Einstein- and relativity critic Ernst Gehrcke in 1916,[A 3] that this formula is mathematically identical to Albert Einstein's formula (1915) for general relativity.[A 4]"
 
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I see the precession of Mercury has been mentioned. Whilst I'm what some would describe as an "Einstein fan", I have to say that there's a possible issue with this. See Paul Gerber on wiki:

"It was noted by the Einstein- and relativity critic Ernst Gehrcke in 1916,[A 3] that this formula is mathematically identical to Albert Einstein's formula (1915) for general relativity.[A 4]"

Duly noted but I would still contend that Bjarne has issues with understanding the mathematics required.

Or for example looking at expanding the concept of "tracking" the orbit of the Earth around the Sun...

leading on to mathematically 'solving' (ha!) the 3 body problem etcetc
 
Maybe. But from reading this last page I'd say he has an issue understanding time. Let's see how we get on with his questions:

I am not saying that they have got something wrong, because a clock is really ticking either slower or faster in different space-time, but I question whether we have understood that realties collides witch each other

Imagine the international space station (ISS) was orbiting the Sun (not the Earth) in the exact same orbit as the Earth does.
No problem.

One complete orbit around the Sun (for the Earth and ISS) would not take the same amount of time, (since gravity is different at the ISS compared to Earth).
It would actually. The Earth and the ISS start off from point x in the orbit at the same time, and arrive back there at the same time. The ISS doesn't get there half an hour before the Earth, or vice versa. To appreciate this, just imagine yourself to be an observer watching all this from a point out in space 100 million miles from the Sun. OK, the clock difference measured by the observer on earth and the observer on the ISS is real enough, but what clocks actually "clock up" is local motion. All clocks count up some regular cyclic motion and display a cumulative count as "the time". Local motion at the surface of the earth is occuring at a slightly slower rate than on the ISS, that's all.

Here comes the question, that everyone that really has understood relativity easy should be able to answer.

What more as time consumption would change/be different?

Would 2 travelers (one at ISS and one at the Earth) agree that the circumstance of the exact same orbit is the excact the same for both observers?
No. They would however agree that the observer on the ISS is a little "speeded up" as compared to the observer on Earth.

Would both agree the orbit speed is the same for both observers?
Yes. They can see that the speed is the same. The ISS doesn't pull ahead of the Earth or vice versa. They might disagree about the measured value of this speed in metres per second, but they're both smart enough to understand that this measured difference is the result of their different gravitational potentials.

Would laws of nature (gravity) be the same?
Yes, the "laws of nature" would be the same. There's scope for some measurable differences in say the fine-structure constant, but only in extreme situations. Apart from the obvious differences caused by the lack of Earth gravity, experiments on the ISS will give essentially the same results as those performed on Earth.

How it possible that 2 observes experiences the exactly same event, - and let us say both is moving with the exact same exact speed, and traveling the exact same orbit circumstance, - how is this possible when time consumption is different.
Because time isn't being "consumed". Time is just the thing people say that clocks measure, when what they really measure and "clock up", is regular cyclic motion that is local to the clock.

I mean every cow know that time multiplied with speed = distances.
Sure. And every cow knows that when my second is different to yours, my 10 m/s isn't the same as yours. But if we're running a 100m race, and if it's a dead heat, then whatever our respective clocks say, we were running at the same speed.

Now take this to this a bit more extreme, (so that not only cows understand the point) - let us make the time difference more extreme, let say Earth – ISS >> 1:2. Do you believe the ISS only would complete only one orbits when the Earth would complete ½ orbit?
No.

Or WHAT. Do you really understand relativity?
Yes.
 
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