Bjarne on: Dark Energy, only an illusion.

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If you don’t agree you must show why you think an absolute reference frame not should be possible.
No, Bjarne: you must show why you think an absolute reference frame should be possible. That is your assertion. Provide your evidence.

All you have to do is show that SR and GR and relativistic quantum mechanics do not work.
Whoops - they do :jaw-dropp!
In fact relativistic quantum mechanics as in quantum electrodynamics is the most precisely tested theory in existence.
 
The field is inhomogeneous space.
In physics, a field is not inhomogeneous space.
In physics, a field is a physical quantity associated with each point of spacetime.[1] A field can be classified as a scalar field, a vector field, a spinor field, or a tensor field according to whether the value of the field at each point is a scalar, a vector, a spinor (e.g., a Dirac electron) or, more generally, a tensor, respectively. For example, the Newtonian gravitational field is a vector field: specifying its value at a point in spacetime requires three numbers, the components of the gravitational field vector at that point. Moreover, within each category (scalar, vector, tensor), a field can be either a classical field or a quantum field, depending on whether it is characterized by numbers or quantum operators respectively.
 
Fact 1.
Cosmological redshift MUST also be possible due to expanding space since there is OBJECTIVE SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE for it.
What is the evidence for the Big Bang (and Dark Energy)?

OK dear let us just start here.
It took mother cow only 0,00000000000000000000000000000000000003 second to discover that the link you provided did NOT show any SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE that proves that cosmological redshift at all exist.

We know redshift CAN be caused by gravity or Doppler Effect
But there are still NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE that the so called cosmological redshift also can "expand the EM spectra"

The BASIC of the BigBang religion is build on such invention that NOT is proven by the scientific method.

WHY have you even not considered that gravitational redshift possible could be the true version of what the Univers is about?

All it requires is only that gravity / speed once was extreme, exactly as we should expect in a BigChunch.
Exactly in the moment you remove the fantasy invention, the so called repulsive dark energy, the universe MUST collapse due to its own gravity.

A Collapse MUST lead to extreme speed and extreme speed must lead to that a whole universe of stars must explode almost at the same time.
There is nothing that contradicts such framework.

All the observation we know, for example those you provided via the link above can also be understood within the framework of general relativity, as I just described.
So why INVENT a property of space that NEVER is proven by the scientific method, and NEVER will.

RC, - the prevailing framework is a tower of speculation on speculation doomed to fall.

An Engineer that build a tower certainly know that the foundation must be strong.
Cows also know this.

Cosmological redshift is not made of concrete and steel, - but warm air, - on such basic foundation you cannot show me one single cow that would build the whole picture of the universe, - can you ?
So why do you support such turbo fantasy?

Face it, - all what could went wrong did so, because of the fundation was made of fantasy.

When we know that the sound ; muuuuohhhhh ONLY can come from a cow or a tape recorder, WHY should someone invent a completely new animal to explain that sound, and next begin to brainwash a whole world ?

Face it, - general relativity is enough to explain what the universe is about and cows are enough to explain what muuuuhhh is about. - You do not need invention factories.

Watch this video, - if you want to get out of the bush please http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qrCHdt47Dg
 
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Watch this video, - if you want to get out of the bush please http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qrCHdt47Dg

I will bite.


"At least space must have some kind of density otherwise space cant curve"

Can you explain firstly why it mentions space and not spacetime?

Can you explain secondly, mathematically, just using maths, purely in terms of mathematics, the requirement for density in order to define curvature? You do know that the mathematical 'definition' of curvature has nothing to do with density?
 
... You do not need invention factories.
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Which is why you invented 'RR', and 'space density' and .... all with the help of your imagination, only.

Ah, that video. The most striking aspect of that video is how obvious it is you pulled all of that right out of your imagination.
No substance, just imagination.

The lack of attention to correct spelling and the abundance of colorful text just yell out WOO at the viewer.

:rolleyes:
 
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Watch this video, - if you want to get out of the bush please http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qrCHdt47Dg

32 views, in several weeks. That is quite exceptional for You Tube, congratulations! *)
Bjarne, why did you make that video? I mean, why did you waste a part of your life which will never come again to repeat the nonsense you have been posting here, for years?

Do you think nonsense becomes more convincing in a video? It only becomes more obvious. There is not ONE THING there that makes any sense. There is not one argument that is even logical.




Hans




*) Exceptionally low, that is. - Seems You Tube users have some sense, after all.
 
I will bite.


"At least space must have some kind of density otherwise space cant curve"

Can you explain firstly why it mentions space and not space-time?

It is implied that time and space is inseparable connected. So if you say space you also say space-time, - except if you mean hairsplitting of course.

Can you explain secondly, mathematically, just using maths, purely in terms of mathematics, the requirement for density in order to define curvature? You do know that the mathematical 'definition' of curvature has nothing to do with density?

There are no difference, but expression.

To know what really happens on a path where the “space-time” is changing, - imaging you could jump between different space-time realities.
Which differences would you see (except that time is different) ?

There must be more differences than only time, and you should know there are.
Let us say you were on board of a spacecraft and sitting inside the kitchen of the spacecraft. Suddenly the spacecraft would jump between different space time realities.

This would cause suddenly different time ticking rates.
If the laws of nature always must be the same, - one second and meter cannot be comparable the same in 2 different space-time-realities.

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If times ticks slower, you can say that 1 second is now “stretchíng”, - so must then also the length – width – height, - reality.

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And opposite, - when a second is comparable faster (“contracted”) as before, - then also all dimensions are also “contracted”.

If you cannot accept this, tell me about the consequence of time dilation.

So before getting lost in expressions, - you must make yourself clear, that we are talking about different space-time-realities, where not only time possible can be different.

The expressions, - “Curvature of space” or “Stretching space” - are only expressions for how we under certain circumstances are able to interpret realities.

For example

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When light from a distant object passes close to a galaxy or cluster of galaxies along the line of sight, the image of the background object (here, the quasar) can sometimes be split into two or more separate images (here, A and B). The foreground object is a gravitational lens.

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Gravity is stretching time + all distances.

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Or if you prefer, - (strong) gravity is stretching space time.

Hence light can’t move in a straight line, - but must “bend” from one reality towards another one.

Exactly in the same way it must “bend inwards”, when the universe is losing gravity, - whereby realities (space-time realities) included distances now gets relative / comparable smaller as before, - but still everything always looks the same, - even also time.
This is what the abused expression,- "cosmological redshift" is about.
Redshift are (mainly) time stamps of difference space-time realities, - that fools have turn into religion.

THIS is what the so called (abused expression) dark energy is about, - and shows the greatest stupidity ever invented, because some thought it would be smart to invent a repulsive force.
Maybe because such fools do not like extreme speed, (properly a socialist invention)..

The cause of the idea that dark energy is acceleration is due to the same illusion.
What happens is not an accelerating repulsive force, - but instead that space-time realities close to us (included us) gets comparable smaller (shrinks) due to the lost of universal gravity.

Gravity is stretching everything (included time). - When gravity gradually is lost the opposite happens.

So you have already all the mathematics you need. All you need to do is just not to turn anything at its head, - and the universe is pretty simple.

Whether you better like the old expression; curvature of space, - or the stretching space-density framework, - is not important.
The point is rather first at all that you understand WHAT matter / gravity does with space and everything else.

Words and expression do have their own limits, but imagination shall not be bound to dead-end expressions.
 
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OK dear let us just start here.
It took mother cow only 0,00000000000000000000000000000000000003 second to discover that the link you provided did NOT show any SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE that proves that cosmological redshift at all exist.
...display of usual ignorance and stupid cow sounds snipped...
OK dear let us just start with your mother cow being ignorant and lying. I suggest that you shot this stupid cow and have a goiod steak meal :D.

The SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE that proves that cosmological redshift exists is listed in What is the evidence for the Big Bang (and Dark Energy)?
What is the evidence for the Big Bang?




The evidence for the Big Bang comes from many pieces of <A href="http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmo_01.htm#CO">observational data that are consistent with the Big Bang. None of these prove the Big Bang, since scientific theories are not proven. Many of these facts are consistent with the Big Bang and some other cosmological models, but taken together these observations show that the Big Bang is the best current model for the Universe. These observations include:
The observations listed above are consistent with the Big Bang or with the Steady State model, but many observations support the Big Bang over the Steady State:
  • Radio source and quasar counts vs. flux. These show that the Universe has evolved.
  • Existence of the blackbody CMB. This shows that the Universe has evolved from a dense, isothermal state.
  • Variation of TCMB with redshift. This is a direct observation of the evolution of the Universe.
  • Deuterium, 3He, 4He, and 7Li abundances. These light isotopes are all well fit by predicted reactions occurring in the First Three Minutes.
Finally, the angular power spectrum of the CMB anisotropy that does exist at the several parts per million level is consistent with a dark matter dominated Big Bang model that went through the inflationary scenario.
Why do we think that the expansion of the Universe is accelerating?

The evidence for an accelerating expansion comes from observations of the <A href="http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/sne_cosmology.html">brightness of distant supernovae. We observe the redshift of a supernova which tells us by what the factor the Universe has expanded since the supernova exploded. This factor is (1+z), where z is the redshift. But in order to determine the expected brightness of the supernova, we need to know its distance now. If the expansion of the Universe is accelerating due to a cosmological constant, then the expansion was slower in the past, and thus the time required to expand by a given factor is longer, and the distance NOW is larger. But if the expansion is decelerating, it was faster in the past and the distance NOW is smaller. Thus for an accelerating expansion the supernovae at high redshifts will appear to be fainter than they would for a decelerating expansion because their current distances are larger. Note that these distances are all proportional to the age of the Universe [or 1/Ho], but this dependence cancels out when the brightness of a nearby supernova at z close to 0.1 is compared to a distant supernova with z close to 1.
 
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The expressions, - “Curvature of space” or “Stretching space” - are only expressions for how we under certain circumstances are able to interpret realities.

That is right. So don't draw conclusions from the expression.

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When light from a distant object passes close to a galaxy or cluster of galaxies along the line of sight, the image of the background object (here, the quasar) can sometimes be split into two or more separate images (here, A and B). The foreground object is a gravitational lens.

Yes, we know that.

Hence light can’t move in a straight line, - but must “bend” from one reality towards another one.

Well, you might express it in this way.

Exactly in the same way it must “bend inwards”, when the universe is losing gravity, - whereby realities (space-time realities) included distances now gets relative / comparable smaller as before, - but still everything always looks the same, - even also time.

What do you mean by 'loosing gravity'? Gravity cannot be negative (at least, we have never observed negative gravity).

THIS is the cause of the so called dark energy.

No.

Gravity is stretching everything (included time). - When gravity gradually is lost the opposite happens.

How can gravity be lost?

Hans
 
If times ticks slower, you can say that 1 second is now “stretchíng”, - so must then also the length – width – height, - reality.

kitc3.jpg

Stretching, hahahahahhaaaaa


my sides hurt.............

No nothing is stretching. Things in the direction of motion and/or gravity shorten.

Paul

:) :) :)
 
OK dear let us just start with your mother cow being ignorant and lying. I suggest that you shot this stupid cow and have a goiod steak meal :D.

The SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE that proves that cosmological redshift exists is listed in What is the evidence for the Big Bang (and Dark Energy)?

Yes dear, - and the same link is probably also evidently proving that there MUST be another animal than a cow, responsible for the sound muuuuuuoohhhh
You should shame yourself
 
What do you mean by 'loosing gravity'? Gravity cannot be negative (at least, we have never observed negative gravity).

How can gravity be lost?

Hans

When nuclears dissolves (due to extreme speed and hence due to extreme gravity of stars) - gravitionel waves will leave such stars.

Try to Google this, - "Gravitational Waves from Core Collapse Supernova"

We know that cluster of galaxies are splitting apart and hence not bound so strongly together as in the younger universe.
The shameful invention, that there exist a repulsive force, - is to blame that we are blinded and don't understand that the true cause of this is simply that we are losing gravity, and did so since a universe of stars was exploding in a big crunch.
 
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Stretching, hahahahahhaaaaa


my sides hurt.............

No nothing is stretching. Things in the direction of motion and/or gravity shorten.

Paul

:) :) :)

I am not speaking about how you would see a fast moving object, but how your reality is under different circumstances.
hahahahahhaaaaa

my sides hurt.............
 
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I am not speaking about how you would see a fast moving object, but how your reality is under different circumstances.
hahahahahhaaaaa

my sides hurt.............

It is not about how you see it, it is shorter, do the math for once, it makes sense.

hahahahahahahha

sides and back................

Paul

:) :) :)

cow died...........
 
It is not about how you see it, it is shorter, do the math for once, it makes sense.

hahahahahahahha

sides and back................

Paul

:) :) :)

cow died...........



Edit - in SR yes
In GR.....
Gravity increase (due to speed) is also = distance increase.
For the one experiences increasing / decreasing gravity everything will still looks the same, both distances as well as time it takes to travel from A to B.
Only when you compare realities, there will be differences both to time and distances.
Muuuuhhh
 
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Rubbish
Gravity increase (due to speed) is also = distance increase.
For the one experiences increasing / decreasing gravity everything will still looks the same, both distances as well as time it takes to travel from A to B.
Only when you compare realities, there will be differences both to time and distances.
Muuuuhhh

Nope........

My GPS still works..........

It would not work if you were right.

Paul

:) :) :)
 
When nuclears dissolves (due to extreme speed and hence due to extreme gravity of stars) - gravitionel waves will leave such stars.

That does not mean that gravity disappears.

Try to Google this, - "Gravitational Waves from Core Collapse Supernova"

That does not mean that gravity disappears.

Let me see, Bjarne, how to explain it in away you might understand ... hm ...

Ahh, yes: If you have a 250kg cow, put a lot of dynamite under it, and blow it up, what will it weigh if you collect all the pieces?

- This has been established empirically, albeit with a whale:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Vmnq5dBF7Y :p

We know that cluster of galaxies are splitting apart and hence not bound so strongly together as in the younger universe.

Yes, that is the reason we call it black energy. Their mass, and hence their gravity, is the same however.

The shameful invention, that there exist a repulsive force, - is to blame that we are blinded and don't understand that the true cause of this is simply that we are losing gravity, and did so since a universe of stars was exploding in a big crunch.

Complete and unadulterated nonsense. Actually, what you are really claiming is that the universe is expanding because it is 'loosing gravity' because it is .... well ... expanding. In other words, in your "explanation", black energy is really ... black energy. :cool:

Hans
 
That does not mean that gravity disappears.

That does not mean that gravity disappears.

Let me see, Bjarne, how to explain it in away you might understand ... hm ...

Ahh, yes: If you have a 250kg cow, put a lot of dynamite under it, and blow it up, what will it weigh if you collect all the pieces?

- This has been established empirically, albeit with a whale:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Vmnq5dBF7Y :p

Hans you have still not understood first at all that the higgs religion is dead, - and next, - that the strong nuclear interaction (particle spin) is the (main) cause of gravity.

Yes, that is the reason we call it black energy. Their mass, and hence their gravity, is the same however.
Rubbish, a big crunch MUST be the destiny also of our universe (so soon you remove the repulsive cosmological redshift religion).

A big crunch will cause lose of gravity, and hence also speed differences. This mean global gravity NEVER is stable.

Complete and unadulterated nonsense. Actually, what you are really claiming is that the universe is expanding because it is 'loosing gravity' because it is .... well ... expanding. In other words, in your "explanation", black energy is really ... black energy.
Black Energy sound very homemade.
Please use the expression Dark Energy.
I don’t believe in that religion at all.
Yes when gravity is lost billions of years after a big crunch, - orbits of clusters (as well as motion round the COG of the universe) can no longer be maintained, whereby these will enlarge.
GR can handle it all, you don't need any hokus pokus properties.
 
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