Bjarne on: Dark Energy, only an illusion.

[Bjarne]

So which 'version' are you aspiring to?

Can you measure the velocity of light relative to your aether?

Before getting lost in this question, - let's say you live at 50th floor in Chicago, your clock ticks faster compared mine, I and my clock is 3000 meter down a a south African gold mine.

Can you and me agree about the time it takes to orbit the Mikyway ?
I guess you will say no.

1. WHY
2. Is something wrong with your or my ruler ?

Ignore the influence of speed difference - ignore the rotation speed difference

 

[Toke]

Did you know that Ghana have South African companies working their goldmines. Apparently some of them have been dug really deep and they needed the know-how.

 

[Paulhoff]

Before getting lost in this question, - let's say you live at 50th floor in Chicago, your clock ticks faster compared mine, I and my clock is 3000 meter down a a south African gold mine.

The answer for that question isn't all that easy. One would need to know the density of the local earth one is under and there is another formula used for calculating the gravity underground and I haven’t found it. But I would say the clock underground is running faster seeing that there is ground above you and that it so-called pulls you up very little and counters the downward gravity towards the center of mass of the earth, which I would think changes time more then being 500 feet up.

Paul

 

[Daylightstar]

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Can you measure the velocity of light relative to your aether?

Before getting lost in this question, - let's say you live at 50th floor in Chicago, your clock ticks faster compared mine, I and my clock is 3000 meter down a a south African gold mine.

Can you and me agree about the time it takes to orbit the Mikyway ?
I guess you will say no.

1. WHY
2. Is something wrong with your or my ruler ?

Ignore the influence of speed difference - ignore the rotation speed difference

In other words, no.

 

[Bjarne]

The answer for that question isn't all that easy. One would need to know the density of the local earth one is under and there is another formula used for calculating the gravity underground and I haven’t found it. But I would say the clock underground is running faster seeing that there is ground above you and that it so-called pulls you up very little and counters the downward gravity towards the center of mass of the earth, which I would think changes time more then being 500 feet up.

Paul

It doesn’t matter; the question is what really happens to reality except that time here on earth is ticking differently from place to place.
The point is to understand that the “aether” not is “something” – But rather everything.
“The reality” – must always be a relative “concept” and not comparable to the reality (of even) all earth based observers. Which mean the way “the reality is” – is different to different space time observers?
When the speed of light always is the same relative to the surroundings for all observers it can’t be comparable the same to “other realities” / observers.
Which mean a second not can be comparable the same both in a tower compared to a cellar.

So either a certain common definition of 1 second therefore doesn’t make sense, - OR a a certain common definition of 1 meter doesn’t make since. One of the must give.

So now tell me which differences will it be when you here on earth can jump between 2 different space time realities. This is really important to understand when you also want to understand “aether” - as the basic of everything.

How can you say that "aether" doesn’t exist when “aether” is the basic for everything, even for space, and also THAT what is changing when reality is "deformed". ?

 

[Daylightstar]

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How can you say that "aether" doesn’t exist when “aether” is the basic for everything, even for space, and also THAT what is changing when reality is "deformed". ?

How can you say that "aether" exists, when there is no evidence for “aether”?

Reality is deformed inside your intellectually dysfunctional thought process.

 

[Bjarne]

How can you say that "aether" exists, when there is no evidence for “aether”?
Reality is deformed inside your intellectually dysfunctional thought process.

The expression "aether" is in my universe not difference from expression "reality"
Reality is "something" (strange) that can deform, - You could call the main part (space) of that strange “something” for aether. – I know it exist because it is part of reality.
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[Daylightstar]

The expression "aether" is in my universe not difference from expression "reality"
Reality is "something" (strange) that can deform, - You could call the main part (space) of that strange “something” for aether. – ...
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The part above doesn't mean anything.
The part below means: I know it exists because it exists.

... – I know it exist because it is part of reality.
.

In spite of the (further) variability of the meaning of the word 'reality', as introduced by you.

 

[Little 10 Toes]

I have taken a step further and claims that that density is absorbed by matter. - It is really simple, but not possible to prove.

That sums up everything about your religious ideas.

 

[Bjarne]

The part below means: I know it exists because it exists.

Space curves (it must have density)

 

[Daylightstar]

Space curves (it must have density)

Empty declaration.

 

[Daylightstar]

Space curves (it must have density)

Space is dedensitized (it must be bald).

 

[Bjarne]

Empty declaration.

Not so empty as space

 

[Daylightstar]

Not so empty as space

Of course not. More dense than space....

 

[Paul]

Not so empty as space

I thought space was full of aether?

 

[Bjarne]

I thought space was full of aether?

Space is not full of it, it is that something

 

[Paul]

Space is not full of it, it is that something

Ok, I think I get it, you are full of it and space is made of aether.


Now all you have to do is provide any evidence at all that aether exists.

 

[Paulhoff]

According to ancient and MEDIEVAL SCIENCE aether (Greek αἰθήρ aithēr), also spelled æther or ether, is the material that fills the region of the universe above the terestrial shere.

Welcome to the thread that goes back in time.

Paul



Over 2,000 years that is.

 

[Daylightstar]

Space is not full of it, it is that something

Which leaves this question:

How can you say that "aether" exists, when there is no evidence for “aether”?
...

unanswered.

All we have is: you know it exists because it exists.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7889293&postcount=5148

 

[Bjarne]

Ok, I think I get it, you are full of it and space is made of aether.


Now all you have to do is provide any evidence at all that aether exists.

Aether is just an expression for "something" that can curve / deform
The point is that c can be true in all reference frames and at the same time also an absolute reference frame can exist, - side by side by relative reference frames..
This is possible since either the definition of 1 second or / and 1 meter can only be relative definitions.
If you don’t agree you must show why you think an absolute reference frame not should be possible.