Bjarne on: Dark Energy, only an illusion.

[Bjarne]

Cassini took readings of the day-length indicator regarded as most reliable, the rhythm of natural radio signals from the planet. The results give 10 hours, 45 minutes, 45 seconds (plus or minus 36 seconds) as the length of time it takes Saturn to complete each rotation. Here's the puzzle: That is about 6 minutes, or one percent, longer than the radio rotational period measured by the Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 spacecraft, which flew by Saturn in 1980 and 1981.

Sourse http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/cassini/media/cassini-062804.html

Correction
Few days ago I wrote: Mimas pulls Saturn’s rotation. I checked again, - Saturn have NO MOONS that is faster than the planet rotation.
a "d" is a earth day, (off course) not a Saturn day, this is what confused me.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7770848&postcount=4647

 

[Bjarne]

Cassini scientists are not questioning Voyager's careful measurements. And they definitely do not think the whole planet of Saturn is actually rotating that much slower than it did two decades ago. Instead, they are looking for an explanation based on some variability in how the rotation deep inside Saturn drives the radio pulse.

As I just wrote Saturn have (right now) NO MOONS that pulls its rotation. Off course people that do not understand the consequence of SW if they (like you’re all) prefer to ignore it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moons_of_Saturn

All moons of Saturn are (right now) slowing down the planet rotation as well as Relativistic resistance (agianst motion + rotation) contributes to that process..
This mean that not only is Saturn losing rotation speed, it is also losing some of its ability to maintain the SW that prevents its entire moon from approaching the planet.

So Saturn will slow down until all Moons approaching closer.
After a while the moon S/2009 S 1 - will be faster as the planet rotation, - but it is too small to make any big difference, - this small Moon will soon be sacrificed until a bigger Moon is approaching and in that process faster as Saturn’s rotation.
The lost (process) of a bigger moon will again cause the rotation of Saturn’s rotation to increase, and save other Moons, but only for a while.

Lost of a big moon or a big planet extend the life of the remaining object, but only for a while, in the end of the day all planet and all moons are sacrificed, and a star or planet is alone.

We do see that pattern in the Universe, - Stars are losing their planets, the older they are, the slower they rotate and the more planets is lost. http://www.science27.com/english/SolarSystem.html

I will in the coming weeks do some more correction at my site www.science.com because the last week i begin to understand it a lot better.

 

[MRC_Hans]

What I just described above is what is named; SpaceWind in the theory I represent.

You don't present a theory. You just present idle fantasy.

This is not a perfect expression, but the best so fare. It is difficult to express result of mass-attraction between object in few word. Better suggestions are welcome.

We already have a word: Gravity.

There are several EVIDENCES that this is true.

What is true?

We don’t know what mass attraction really is and how a force can occur between two bodies,

So what? Do you know what 'space wind' really is?

when the Moon was landed on the Earth, a pull in the moon would also be a pull in the Earth.

Of course. When two objects touch, there is an interaction between them.

It makes no difference that the moon not is landed on the Earth. The “mass-attraction-connection” is still there and still valid and still moon's are orbiting planets.

No. If there is no contact, there is no rotary interaction. The reason there is one in the Earth/moon system is ONLY because of tidal friction. If the Earth was a solid, homogeneous ball, there would be no effect on rotation

Y

ou, and the planets “should” not exist , when rocks was orbiting the new born Sun in a protoplanetary disks collision with the gas should cause all rocks pieces to fall towards the Sun, so the planets should not exist. –

No, because the gas was also rotating.

Hans

 

[MRC_Hans]

Correction
Few days ago I wrote: Mimas pulls Saturn’s rotation. I checked again, - Saturn have NO MOONS that is faster than the planet rotation.
a "d" is a earth day, (off course) not a Saturn day, this is what confused me.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7770848&postcount=4647

Bjarne, ALL Saturn's moons are tiny compared to the mass of the planet. Their effect on the rotation (through tidal friction) is virtually non-existent.

Hans

 

[Bjarne]

Bjarne, ALL Saturn's moons are tiny compared to the mass of the planet. Their effect on the rotation (through tidal friction) is virtually non-existent.

Hans

Rubbish

For exsample Titan 1.35e+23 Kg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moons_of_Saturn

 

[Bjarne]

Bjarne
You, and the planets “should” not exist , when rocks was orbiting the new born Sun in a protoplanetary disks collision with the gas should cause all rocks pieces to fall towards the Sun, so the planets should not exist.
Hans
No, because the gas was also rotating.

Now you also deny common / certian knowledge, just because you believe the problem to understand formation of the solar system is my idea.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n19HIHCpOVE&feature=related

So we have one more crackpot here, his name is Hans.
I guess RC very soon will call his idea insane and that he is an idiotic ignorant crackpot.

 

[Paul]

Now you also deny common / certian knowledge

Why do you call it common or certain knowledge when you think it supports your beliefs and ignore or belittle it when it supports actual science?

just because you believe the problem to understand formation of the solar system is my idea.

Just spamming hour long youtube videos isn't going to help, at least point to the relevant section, which for others' benefit is titled 'Why didn't the planets fall into the sun?' and starts at 1:00:27.

So we have one more crackpot here, his name is Hans.
I guess RC very soon will call his idea insane and that he is an idiotic ignorant crackpot.

I suppose plain insults is better than bovine flatus.

 

[Paul]

Rubbish

For exsample Titan 1.35e+23 Kg

Titan, which is 96% of the mass in orbit, is appr. 4225.8400237882 times less massive than Saturn.

 

[Reality Check]

Bjarne: Calculations that the RR fantasy effects Earth's rotation

The Tidal effect is slowing the Earth's rotation at a rate of 2.2 seconds per 100.000 years.

This is the tidal acceleration caused by the Moon but you have the wrong value. It is "+2.3 ms/cy" from modern measurements or "+1.70 ± 0.05 ms/cy" from historical observations.

Due to the influence due to RR the Earth rotation is losing 7.61*10-13 meter per second.

Show your calculations, Bjarne. Remember to use valid mathematics and physics, e.g units of measurement.

• Does Bjarne know basic physics (unit-less quantities cannot be arbitrarily assigned units)
  First asked 23 October 2009
• Why is your multiplier 1 m/s^2? Why is X not 2 m/s^2? Why not 300,000 m/s^2? Why not 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 m/s^2?

http://www.science27.com/english/the...r_anomaly.html

That web site is lying.

The Pioneer anomaly proves that Bjarne's "kinetic resistance" does not exist!
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You are displaying a persistent delusion that RR exists when it does not match reality:

• Why particle accelerators disprove Bjarne's impossible "kinetic resistance"
  11th December 2009
• The Pioneer anomaly proves that Bjarne's "kinetic resistance" does not exist!
• Spiral galaxies prove that Bjarne's "kinetic resistance" does not exist!

P.S.
Bjarne: Cite your 'loads of contradictions' for the Big Bang
First asked 21st October 2011 (30 days and counting!)

Your assertion about 90377 Sedna is either just a another fantasy or yet another failure of RR:
Bjarne: Show your calculations that RR is the cause of Sedna's orbit
If you have none then just admit that the orbit of Sedna is nothing to do with RR.
Otherwise this unsupported assertion will becomne yet another reason why RR is a fantasy.

 

[Reality Check]

Sourse http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/cassini/media/cassini-062804.html

Scientists Find That Saturn's Rotation Period is a Puzzle
So what?
My guess is that you are going to repeat the delusion that your fantasies can explain this. If so then so it showing your calculations in full so that we can see that they are correct.
Please do not make yourself seem idiotic by repeating your previous errors:

• Does Bjarne know basic physics (unit-less quantities cannot be arbitrarily assigned units)
  First asked 23 October 2009
• Why is your multiplier 1 m/s^2? Why is X not 2 m/s^2? Why not 300,000 m/s^2? Why not 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 m/s^2?

 

[Reality Check]

Jupiter ...This turbulence must necessarily convert some kinetic energy of rotation into frictional heat....
Sourse; http://mb-soft.com/public/planetro.html

A link to real stupidity!
Even you, Bjarne, should realize that friction happens when two objects physically rub up against each other.
This ignorant crank thinks that the atmospheres of planets rub up against something, generate friction and this slows their rotation !

 

[Reality Check]

Now you also deny common / certian knowledge, just because you believe the problem to understand formation of the solar system is my idea.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n19HIHCpOVE&feature=related

The lecture is interesting but linking to an hour long lecture is stupid unless you cite exactly where it supports your assertion. The "Why didn't the planets fall into the Sun?" question is raised at 1:00:26.
The lecturer asserts that the different rotational velocities between the rocks and gas shoud have made the rocks spiral into the Sun before the planet could have formed.
Of course planets exist (not only in the Solar System). So some unknown reason prevented this from happening. The resolution to the problem will be based on valid physics, not your delusions.

It looks like you are obsessing with this video because it also has "How did Sedna get into its orbit?" at 1:01:30!

 

[MRC_Hans]

Rubbish

For exsample Titan 1.35e+23 Kg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moons_of_Saturn

Why do you always run with half information? Yes Titan is about as massive as our moon, but Saturn's mass is about 5.69e+26 kg, or nearly a hundred times heavier than Earth. So the effect of even Titan on it is very small.

Hans

 

[MRC_Hans]

Now you also deny common / certian knowledge, just because you believe the problem to understand formation of the solar system is my idea.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n19HIHCpOVE&feature=related

So we have one more crackpot here, his name is Hans.
I guess RC very soon will call his idea insane and that he is an idiotic ignorant crackpot.

You are too silly.

I'm taking a break from this nonsense.

Hans

 

[Bjarne]

This is the tidal acceleration caused by the Moon but you have the wrong value. It is "+2.3 ms/cy" from modern measurements or "+1.70 ± 0.05 ms/cy" from historical observations.
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The magnitude of tidal friction depends on the arrangement of the continents. In the past, the continents were arranged such that tidal friction, and thus the rates of earth's slowing and the moon's recession, would have been less. The earth's rotation has slowed at a rate of two seconds every 100,000 years (Eicher 1976).
Sourse;http://creationwiki.org/Moon_is_receding_at_a_rate_too_fast_for_an_old_universe_(Talk.Origins)

Link out of order Google this instead; - Moon is receding at a rate too fast for an old universe (Talk.Origins)

 

[Bjarne]

The lecture is interesting but linking to an hour long lecture is stupid unless you cite exactly where it supports your assertion. The "Why didn't the planets fall into the Sun?" question is raised at 1:00:26.
The lecturer asserts that the different rotational velocities between the rocks and gas shoud have made the rocks spiral into the Sun before the planet could have formed.
Of course planets exist (not only in the Solar System). So some unknown reason prevented this from happening. The resolution to the problem will be based on valid physics, not your delusions.

It looks like you are obsessing with this video because it also has "How did Sedna get into its orbit?" at 1:01:30!

Good you got the point
"So some unknown reason prevented this from happening. "
Left is only to say; May Mother cow guide you and protect you and your love one from mass brainwash.

 

[Bjarne]

Why do you always run with half information? Yes Titan is about as massive as our moon, but Saturn's mass is about 5.69e+26 kg, or nearly a hundred times heavier than Earth. So the effect of even Titan on it is very small.

Hans

Right I have calculated this roughly; - Titan cannot cause such huge resistance
You are right.
You know which consequence this has right?
Now you can choose between;
To be shut
Hanging
Guillotine.
Poison injection.
Don't say that we not are human.

OK Hans you deserve an serious answer, even though you will not understand anything of it.
What had happen with Saturn is a bit complicated (for humans).
Recently Saturn have lost a moon, this is why it now is rotating relative fast as well as losing rotation speed.
But 6 minutes lost within only 23 years is really a lot.
How did it happen?
Well , when a fast Moon (faster as Saturn’s own rotation) orbit Saturn, it will increase Saturn rotation speed.
The increasing rotation speed will continue so long the mass-attraction-connection allows transfer part of its own orbit speed / energy to Saturn’s rotation speed.

But because Saturn is a gas planet such moon will cause Saturn’s inner solid core to rotate faster as the surrounding gas atmosphere.
This is because speed of the rotation only can continue until Relativistic Resistance (RR) set the limit.

Because the circumstance gets larger the further away the planet we get, the speed of the atmosphere must travel faster and faster if the rotation everywhere should be “geostatic” .
Such rotaion is therefore not possible, simple because RR will not allow it.

Instead RR is causing the inner core and the gas atmosphere to travel with the same speed, which mean that the inner core complete 1 orbit faster than the atmosphere.
Probably the inner core is / was completing 1 orbit 2-3 or maybe 4 times faster than the surface of the gas planet we see.

Therefore this theory predicts that the angular speed of all cores of gas planet is (can be) much faster as the angular speed of the atmosphere.
The angular speed of the atmosphere is larger and larger the deeper we get into the atmosphere.

So soon the moon that once was pulling Saturn’s rotation was lost, the opposite begins to happen.
Saturn’s atmosphere is seen from the core retrograde; - the higher speed of the core will after lost of the important moon, begin to give of much its kinetic energy, - to the atmosphere, - because of gravitational attraction between the atmosphere and the inner (faster) core.
Notice that the measurement of the 6 minutes lost of rotation-speed is measured at Saturn’s magnetic field.

The very rapid lose of rotation speed must mean that Saturn have lost a Moon very recently.
Maybe in this century.
I am doing what I can to find a good simple equation, but we need more exact data. Further it is complicated, planets also affects each others rotation. There is a lot to account for.

May Mother cow also guide you and protect you and your love one from mass brainwash

 

[Paul]

Bjarne, stop using others' work without reference and try having an informed opinion of your own.

 

[Paul]

Good you got the point
"So some unknown reason prevented this from happening. "

Yes Bjarne, some unknown reason, not some fantasy that doesn't exist reason.

The way to find the reason is to do science, not to make stuff up and assert it on the internet.

Left is only to say; Must Mother cow guide you and protect you and your love one from mass brainwash.

She doesn't seem to have been much help to you.

 

[Paul]

Right I have calculated this roughly; - Titan cannot cause such huge resistance

Why haven't you calculated it accurately?

Please show your calculations.

You know which consequence this has right?
Now you can choose between;
To be shut...

Even if that is supposed to be amusing in your mind, try to be a little more circumspect in your use of rule-breaking rhetoric.

Don't say that we not are human

Even for you that's a bit of a non sequitur.

OK Hans you deserve an serious answer, even though you will not understand anything of it.

Lay off the juvenile vainglory.

What had happen with Saturn is a bit complicated (for humans).

And apparently for you as well.

Recently Saturn have lost a moon, this is why it now is rotating relative fast as well as losing rotation speed.

This moon, was it bigger than Titan, because Titan represents over 90% of the mass orbiting Saturn.

The very large lose of rotation speed must mean that Saturn have lost a Moon very recently.
Maybe in this century.

Ah, I see. What you're doing is arguing from incredulity and ignorance at the same time.

You don't know anything but, as usual, you are happy to make wild guesses and pretend you have knowledge which you will refuse to share.

I am doing what I can to find a good simple equation, but we need more exact data.

Really, perhaps you could provide your calculations.

Further it is complicated, planets also affects each other rotation. There is a lot to account for.

Are you saying science is difficult?