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Tycho Brahe was feted during his lifetime and was given "the island of Hven and unlimited funds to build an observatory there at Uraniborg" around 1577 by Frederick II of Denmark and then "was made Imperial Mathematician in 1599, given yet another castle at Benatek outside Prague, and, more important, given the young Johannes Kepler as an assistant" by the Holy Roman Emperor Rudolph II.



So the article article must be lying (too) ?

Tycho Brahe
Thee two astronomers were Tycho Brahe and Johannes Kepler. They defied the idea of the geocentric theory and the Church who encouraged everyone to support the new theory. Tycho Brahe made many observations about the stars and tried to oppose the Church but they placed him under house arrest to force him to be quiet. Kepler, Tycho’s assistant, continued Tycho’s work after his death to try to disprove the geocentric theory. However, most people were biased by the Church and supported the geocentric theory, but what caused these two astronomers to defy the Church?
Around the time that Tycho Brahe invented the Tychonic system he had hired an assistant by the name of Johannes Kepler.
Sourse > http://www.exampleessays.com/viewpaper/36135.html
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A.Einsten
Albert Einstein published four papers in 1905 in the journal Annalen der Physik, one of which earned him the Nobel Prize.
Albert Einsten should have had at least 1 nobel price for GR and SR they gave him nothing
(he got one for the the fotoelektrisk effekt / danish)
Source : http://www.mothercow.org/oxen/cowtalk.html



Galileo
He was sentenced to formal imprisonment at the pleasure of the Inquisition.[36] On the following day this was commuted to house arrest, which he remained under for the rest of his life.
sourse; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair

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Johannes Kepler, whose laws of planetary motion are famous, actually came very close to deriving the theory of gravity more than 50 years before Isaac Newton’s Principia Mathematica. Unfortunately, Kepler was a bit nuts, a religious zealot, often ill, and lived in a politically and religiously charged era. He had a lot working against him. Not to diminish Newton’s role in discovering universal gravity, but he definitely stood on the shoulders of giants, as others later stood on his.
Sourse http://www.bnet.com/blog/ceo/how-small-changes-can-produce-big-breakthroughs/4861

I do not belive any of these scientist was nuts . But rather the last: quote: he had a lot working against him. (and many before and after)

How is it for example to have 10.000 scientist (higgs zealot believers in Cern) to work against a person. I geuss 100 time so strong as 100 priest, bishops and the popes
 
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So the article article must be lying (too) ?

A.Einsten
Albert Einsten should have had at least 1 nobel price for GR and SR they gave him nothing
(he got one for the the fotoelektrisk effekt / danish)
Source : http://www.mothercow.org/oxen/cowtalk.html

Well firstly what did or didnt happen to scientists has no bearing on the (proven) validity of their theories or achievements.

Secondly at the time the prize was awarded (announced November 1922) relativity was still a new idea that was still keenly debated. Eddington had taken the trip out to see the eclipse but that result was not confirmed by WW Campbell until September 1922.


Thirdly, "In 1922, Einstein was awarded the 1921 Nobel Prize in Physics,[126] "for his services to Theoretical Physics, and especially for his discovery of the law of the photoelectric effect". This refers to his 1905 paper on the photoelectric effect, "On a Heuristic Viewpoint Concerning the Production and Transformation of Light", which was well supported by the experimental evidence by that time. The presentation speech began by mentioning "his theory of relativity [which had] been the subject of lively debate in philosophical circles [and] also has astrophysical implications which are being rigorously examined at the present time"."

So your point is?
 
The comment about the Atlantis story is not a part of the double-planet theory. It was just a reference to an ancient myth. Another such ancient story is how the Egyptian god Osiris was destroyed into separate pieces (the continents) which later were found except his penis (the Earth's core). Very far-fetched stuff without a solid foundation in hard facts.

Why bring such nonsense into the discussion?
 
So the article article must be lying (too) ?
That's not an article, it's an example of an essay that lazy people can buy rather than doing their own research.

Can you point to any real biography that supports your assertions?


A.Einsten
Albert Einsten should have had at least 1 nobel price for GR and SR they gave him nothing
Einstein's prize was "for his services to Theoretical Physics, and especially for his discovery of the law of the photoelectric effect".

I suppose you also think that "honorary doctorate degrees in science, medicine and philosophy from many European and American universities.", "Fellowships or Memberships of all the leading scientific academies throughout the world", and "numerous awards in recognition of his work, including the Copley Medal of the Royal Society of London in 1925, and the Franklin Medal of the Franklin Institute in 1935" are also insufficient.
- source: the official website of the Nobel Prize


Galileo Galilei was persecuted and placed under house arrest by the catholic church, not by scientists, was allowed to continue working and even published another book; do try not to confuse the real Galileo with people in your head.
 
So the article article must be lying (too) ?

Tycho Brahe
Thee two astronomers were Tycho Brahe and Johannes Kepler. They defied the idea of the geocentric theory and the Church who encouraged everyone to support the new theory. Tycho Brahe made many observations about the stars and tried to oppose the Church but they placed him under house arrest to force him to be quiet. Kepler, Tycho’s assistant, continued Tycho’s work after his death to try to disprove the geocentric theory. However, most people were biased by the Church and supported the geocentric theory, but what caused these two astronomers to defy the Church?
Around the time that Tycho Brahe invented the Tychonic system he had hired an assistant by the name of Johannes Kepler.
Sourse > http://www.exampleessays.com/viewpaper/36135.html
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What article? You're quoting from a website that provides papers for "research and reference purposes only". A paper that doesn't provide the references/site of the presented statement. I searched for "Tycho Brahe house arrest" using Google and only found one website. Even Wikipedia (which I know isn't the final word on anything) and the rest of the internet doesn't mention house arrest for Tycho Brahe.
 
Why bring such nonsense into the discussion?

As a side note. I thought it was an entertaining similarity. Atlantis sunk into the ocean. The mars-size planet sunk into an oceanic planet. A bit far-fetched I admit but anyway.
 
Einstein's prize was "for his services to Theoretical Physics, and especially for his discovery of the law of the photoelectric effect".
He got the prize for the theory of the law of the photoelectric effect, and nothing else.
 
What article? You're quoting from a website that provides papers for "research and reference purposes only". A paper that doesn't provide the references/site of the presented statement. I searched for "Tycho Brahe house arrest" using Google and only found one website. Even Wikipedia (which I know isn't the final word on anything) and the rest of the internet doesn't mention house arrest for Tycho Brahe.

And what about this ;

http://www.mothercow.org/oxen/cowtalk.html
 
He got the prize for the theory of the law of the photoelectric effect, and nothing else.
No he didn't. The quote I provided, which you seem to have deliberately ignored, comes from the official website of the Nobel Prize.

You appear to have a total inability to admit error of any kind, preferring to simple reiterate the falsehood instead.
 
The cause is not important.
The result = Stretched space (and time) is the point / important.
That is idiotic, Bjarne: Stretched space is the cause not the result.

Liar
CENTRAL ADG measurement with the only purpose to confirm or disconfirm whether ADG really is really decreasing towards the center of an object has never been done.
Liar
From Bjarne's "central gravity" completely debunked!
Experimentally Debunked 1
Your "central gravity" idea lead to you asserting that the ADG inside a sphere is constant. That is a delusion rather than an prediction because you have ignored the experimental evidence that the prediction is wrong since 2 November 2009 :eye-poppi !
Real, tested science (Newtons law of gravity) predicts a varying ADG inside a sphere. The actual measured ADG inside a sphere varies as predicted

There are no differences.
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Even more idiocy from you Bjarne. People are different as even your pet cow knows.
Tycho Brahe is not Galileo. Galileo is not Johannes Kepler, etc.


  • Tycho Brahe was places in hourse arrest
  • Galileo Brahe was places in hourse arrest
  • Johannes Kepler was ”nuts” (according to the church and the brain wash system at that time)
  • Albert Einstein was (in long time) ignored and did not get any serious credit for his big findings GR/SR
Conclution: Gravity is not (always) a popular business I believe.....
  • There is only one web sute that staes that Tycho Brahe was placed in hourse arrest. It gives no citaion. No other source on Tycho Brahe says this.
    Conclusion: You are relying on an incorrect web site.
  • Galileo Galilei was placed under house arest by the church.
  • Johannes Kepler was (as far as I can see) never condider "nuts" by anyone.
  • Albert Einstein was never ignored. Albert Einstein always got serious credit for his findings of SR, GR and many other fields.
As for your obsession with the Novel prize: The Nobel committee did not award him the Nobel prize for physics until 17 years after his 1905 paper years because that is what they usually do! They do not give the prize for a new idea. They give the prize for a discovery that leads to a significant contribution to mankind.

My friend you are guessing too much.
Read some books about Newton. He was tired speaking about his findings.
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You need to some citations about this.

But so what? Your delusion is
Everyone in history that have discovered anything regarding gravity was fighting stronger with brainwashed and orthodox creeds as with discovering what they discovered.
So out of the 100's or 1000's of people that have worked on gravity, you cite Isaac Newton and your opinion that he was just tired about speaking about his findings.

In a way your ignorance about science has lead you to a correct conclusion. Part of the scientific method is to always require someone with a scientific theory to defend their theory. So every scientist is "fighting stronger with brainwashed and orthodox creeds".
Conclusion: Science is not always a popular business.

Dear RC you don't know what gravity really is (or bended space)
HOW can you talk about "gravity energy ?
Now you are really funny
Dear Bjarne you don't know what science really is (or gravity or bended space).
HOW can you talk about physics when you cannot even read? It is not "gravity energy", it is gravitational energy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_energy
Now you are really ridiculous.

So do you agree that :The frequency of the photon "falling" towards the bottom of the tower is blueshifted. ?
Sourse http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound%E2%80%93Rebka_experiment
So I have always agreed that: the frequency of the photon falling towards the bottom of the tower is blueshifted.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound%E2%80%93Rebka_experiment
And therefore the frequency of a rising photon is red shifted.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_redshift
 
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So a blogger thinks that Johannes Kepler was a bit nuts.
So what - your assertion is that he was considered to be nuts by his contemporaries because of his work (not because of his personal behavior).

I do not belive any of these scientist was nuts . But rather the last: quote: he had a lot working against him. (and many before and after)
All scientists have a lot working agains them. That is the way science works.
 
No he didn't. The quote I provided, which you seem to have deliberately ignored, comes from the official website of the Nobel Prize.

You appear to have a total inability to admit error of any kind, preferring to simple reiterate the falsehood instead.

Experimentation in the photoelectric effect was carried out extensively by Robert Millikan in 1915, and his work confirmed Einstein's theory. Einstein won a Nobel Prize for his photon theory (as applied to the photoelectric effect) in 1921, and Millikan won a Nobel in 1923 (in part due to his photoelectric experiments).
Sourse: http://physics.about.com/od/quantumphysics/a/photoelectric_2.htm

Stretched space is the cause not the result.
Stretched is the result of the expanding Universe as well as a result of objects pull in space (bended space.)

When space stretch times does the same.
This is what gravitionel redshift as well as Cosmological redshift reveals.

Real, tested science (Newtons law of gravity) predicts a varying ADG inside a sphere. The actual measured ADG inside a sphere varies as predicted
Liar
CENTRAL ADG measurement with the only purpose to confirm or disconfirm whether ADG really is decreasing towards the center of an object has never been done.

It is not "gravity energy", it is gravitational energy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_energy

It makes no difference, your statement that photon energy are lost or converted, - is only speculation, there are no reason to believe so.
 
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I mean look at our solar system compared with others.
Since we have not yet been searching long enough with the right type of detector systems we have a very limited view of the planets around other stars. The main limit is that we are seriously biased towards finding large planets in close orbits.

Wrong many huge planets are due to the tidal effect falling down on their mother stars.
In many of the systems we have so far observed the planets are in close orbits. That's because those are the systems we are sensitive to. The best theory for these orbits is that the planets accrete material from the circumstellar disk as they orbit, which creates friction, pulling the planet into a lower orbit where it can accrete more material from the disk. However, this can only happen so long as there are no inner planets to clear the disk of material. If there are inner planets then there is not enough material for the giant planet to accrete and not enough friction to reduce its orbit.

Now that we have been observing for a longer time we are starting to see systems with multiple planets, and many seem to be roughly similar to the Solar System, with larger planets further out and smaller planets closer in. Of course, this is still an incredibly small sample, so any comparison to the Solar System at this point is completely futile.

Right now the most interesting giant planets we are wacthing is Wasp-18B, this planet will fall down on it’s mother star Wasp-18.
Such happens every day.
WASP-18b is a fairly rare case. It's a very large planet that's being slowly torn apart by its parent star.

Why not. The formation of a solar system must follow the same laws.
We know big planets will fall pretty fast, simply because these will drag them self towards the stars (due to tidal wave) - You can be sure some moons will survive.
Nope, see my explanation above of how large planets don't do this in systems which have smaller inner planets. It isn't due to tidal forces (which are relatively small until the planet is very close to the star) but to friction with dust and gas in the disk.

Right we know there is a “friction” due to the tidal wave, - and hence a slower rotation influence due to that.
I have no idea what that sentence is supposed to mean. It makes no sense in English.

BUT the fast orbit has the opposite effect, it “drag” the rotation of the star.
When a huge planet is approaching a star this will drag the stars rotation much faster as the friction causing caused by the tidal.
In the same way the rotation of a star can also throw a planet away from the star ( when the tidal attraction is not too strong)
Ummm, well no, not really. A planet falling into a star will speed up the star a little bit, but not "much faster". Equally, tidal forces push planets slowly away from their stars, but "throw a planet away"? Not hardly.

Furthermore “inertia” is also slowing the rotation speed of a star.
No, it isn't, not in the absence of any frictional force.

Resistance against motion also applies for object moving with constant speed.
In the presence of a retarding force, such as friction. Remove friction and you remove the resistance to motion.

It is simple creeds to believe it only applies for acceleration.
F=ma. That is all.

THIS is the new lessons of science we soon will learn.
We are force to understand this, - since it is all already written in space probes strange behaviors, as well as billion of stars and planet.
So the net result of all this is e.g.; that our star, the sun, - will rotate gradually slower, this will sooner or later drag the planets further to the Sun (due to resistance against motion) , and this will give a temporary faster rotation until Mercury one day is lost,.
The lost of Mercury will cause the Sun to rotate faster, - after Mercury is gone again the Sun will again begin to rotate slower, until Venus is lost ... etc… until all stars are lost.
We have much more to learn.
If you really want to understand this part of the theory, read this ; http://www.science27.com/english/the_pioneer_anomaly.html
Complete and utter cobblers. Let's start with "billion of stars and planet". We know of fewer than 200 planets, and there are only a few million properly catalogued stars.

The resistance to motion that the planets get from the Sun is tiny. I mean really, really, really small. The Sun will expand to a red giant many billions of years before Mercury would have any chance of falling into the Sun on its own.


Frankly I can't be bothered responding to the rest of this garbage. It's a waste of my time.
 
Experimentation in the photoelectric effect was carried out extensively by Robert Millikan in 1915...
When you continue digging even though you're wrong, it doesn't make you right. It makes you wrong in a deeper hole.

It doesn't matter what someone else thinks or what Millikan did after Einstein, the official motivation for the prize is "for his services to Theoretical Physics, and especially for his discovery of the law of the photoelectric effect".

If you think you know better than the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences and the Nobel Committee for Physics why Einstein was awarded his prize, I suggest you take it up with them. Your ignorant ranting here is pointless and only makes you appear more foolish.
 
Since we have not yet been searching long enough with the right type of detector systems we have a very limited view of the planets around other stars. The main limit is that we are seriously biased towards finding large planets in close orbits
Small earths like planets are difficult to detect, not giant planets.
It is the pattern that include the giant planets that is my point.

WASP-18b is a fairly rare case. It's a very large planet that's being slowly torn apart by its parent star.
It is only rare that Wasp-18b is so close a star, - and still alive.
It is normal that very young stars have giant planets in orbit as well as these relative fast falls to their mother stars.

Bjarne
Right we know there is a “friction” due to the tidal wave, - and hence a slower rotation influence due to that.
Wollery
I have no idea what that sentence is supposed to mean. It makes no sense in English.
It means that the ocean of the earth is dragged towards the moon, (not much) and at the same time the Earth rotate.
This friction (between the ocean bottom and the ocean) is one of the reason to the Earth’s rotation slows down. - This is common knowledge.

Ummm, well no, not really. A planet falling into a star will speed up the star a little bit, but not "much faster". Equally, tidal forces push planets slowly away from their stars, but "throw a planet away"? Not hardly.

I am sure we will have to rethink all this> KE transfer again.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13411-earths-rotation-may-account-for-wayward-spacecraft.html

No, it isn't, not in the absence of any frictional force.
According to the prevailing understanding the answer is no.
BUT there are no reasons to claim that resistance against motion only applies to acceleration. This is one of the silliest ideas ever invented.
NOTHING in reality supports this, only old orthodox creeds.
And it is exactly here the chain went off for long ago, - and here the reason to many unnecessary mysteries are to be found.

It requires more and more energy to get a diminishing increase in speed; it is completely silly to believe that the resistance to increase speed suddenly should disappear by constant speed.

I am sure we have much more to learn.

Basic is to understand WHY space resist motion. So far we have not even come close

Also why “M” is increasing due to increasing speed is completely unknown.

And finally we also MUST understand WHY this “process” suddenly "should" stop when constant speed have been reach, - again we have no idea why this strange resistance "inertia" only should apply for acceleration, simple because we don’t understand anything of this in the first place.

The fact is; also by constant speed of an object, - it still require energy to maintain the motion / to overcome resistance agianst motion (intertia).

It make no sense to discuss this further, we have been through it all.

You can believe in the prevailing completely blind science, OR you can try to understand WHAT happens really with the cocktail: Mass / Speed / Space / KE

My opinion is simple;
  • The nature of elementary particles is to “twist space around them” This is what consumes space.
  • And hence this is what is stretching space near matter.
  • And hence this is what gravity really is.
  • And hence this is what “bended space" really means.
  • Now, - when elementary particles moves in space, these are twisted deeper into space, the result is more contracted space = more mass,
  • and hence gradually more resistance due to gradually speed increase,
  • and therefore gradually more energy requirement to overcome the gradually increasing resistance.

It is all so cow -logic simple, when you really begin to understand the basic of the nature of gravity, and not just by heard have learn some empty expression and can calculate how much a cow and light bends

  • Matter = Contracted Space
  • Due to that space around matter = is Stretching ( because of matter “consumed” space).

But this part is not possible directly to prove, to heavy concrete brains.

So either you prefer the prevailing blind “half wind”, or you have the possibility to understand the basic nature of gravity, - it is yours choose.

Take it or leave it.

Complete and utter cobblers. Let's start with "billion of stars and planet". We know of fewer than 200 planets, and there are only a few million properly catalogued stars.
This is more than enough to understand the pattern I have described.
All it requires is only to open your eyes.

Furthermore: Solar system must be created in a similar way.
Understand the law and that's it.
Off course there can be difference in mass / density etc... but still it is easy to conclude that right after a solar system are created, - there are several giant planets in orbit, - few billion year after, these giant are gone....

These will fall of 2 reason


  1. The tidal wave
  2. Resistance against motion.

In the end of the day it is the Sun’s rotation that pays the bill for all the resistance against motion in the solar system, - both the Sun’s own rotation, as well as the planet orbits.

This mean when one or several giant planet is orbit a Star it will “pull” a lot KE from the stars rotation, to be able to maintenance its speed.

The resistance of planet motion is Mv^2/2, so you can easy conclude that the huge Mass of a planet drags much KE from the stars rotation, whereby the stars rotation fast decreases, and a domino effect takes place, because then the star can transfer less “rotation KE back to the planet orbit ( resistance against motion speed) etc…etc…etc… and the giant planet is doomed.

When there are several giant planets in a solar system, the star will speed up and slow down until all are gone.
This takes longer time , and this is the reason to that it is a mystery that for example Wasp-18b still is alive.
Remember it is the combination between resistance against motion + the tidal wave that pulls a giant planet down.
But this also speed up the rotation of the star and extend the time other planets have left, because when a giant planet fall, the increase of the stars rotation will throw other planets further out in the solar system...-

The resistance to motion that the planets get from the Sun is tiny. I mean really, really, really small. The Sun will expand to a red giant many billions of years before Mercury would have any chance of falling into the Sun on its own.
The day you fully understand that resistance against motion also apply by constant speed, you are force to understand that the KE transfer to a planet due to the Suns rotation is VERY much underestimated.

We have to rethink all this again, - time has come.

Space probes will guide those that have open eyes and open minds.

There is unfortunately no hope for those that have spent years in the education system. Because they are trained to believe that priest, popes, bishop and especially professors are perfect and omniscient, and that anybody else must be considered in collusion with the devil or just completely nuts crackpots. Amen.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13411-earths-rotation-may-account-for-wayward-spacecraft.html
 
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