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Merged Bitcoin - Part 3

Is he dreaming of a crypto currency where nothing can be traced? Like what we used to call “cash”?
Bitcoin would be that if it wasn't for the annoying need to convert it into fiat for practical use. Bitcoin was supposed to make this unnecessary because everybody would be using it instead of fiat. But for obvious reasons that didn't happen. Bitcoin is a massive failure. Instead of replacing 'corrupt' fiat, it has become one of its most corrupt vehicles. No wonder its inventor is staying anonymous.
 
As usual, you have attempted to weave a whole cloth out of a piece of straw. Nowhere in his white paper did Nakamoto suggest that his technology would "replace" traditional currencies/banking.
Perhaps not outright, but it was strongly implied. From the introduction in the white paper:-
Commerce on the Internet has come to rely almost exclusively on financial institutions serving as trusted third parties to process electronic payments. While the system works well enough for most transactions, it still suffers from the inherent weaknesses of the trust based model... What is needed is an electronic payment system based on cryptographic proof instead of trust
While it only talked about commerce 'on the internet', everyone could see that this is where commerce was heading. Furthermore that Easter egg in the first block shows the inventor's true goal, to replace the 'trusted' fiat banking system with something 'better'. Early adopters and proponents of Bitcoin were being honest when they promoted it as 'the future of money'.

Let's not forget that PayPal was bought by eBay six years before Bitcoin was invented. The proximate use case for Bitcoin was already being provided by a popular fiat solution. So why push Bitcoin? It actually languished for years as a curiosity that only wild-eyed libertarians imagined would take over the world. Then an actual use case was found for it - crime.

But it wasn't until the MSM reported on its potential for speculation that Bitcoin really took off. Bitcoiners switched to calling it 'digital gold' reinforced with an image of a gold coin impressed with the Bitcoin logo. Such imagery has a powerful psychological effect, used both by promoters and skeptics in the media. The result, as they say, is history.

Whatever Bitcoin's original intended use was is now out the window. Currently it takes about an hour to process a Bitcoin transfer, and that's with it only handling a small fraction of the world's monetary transactions. The stated goal of reducing the minimum practical size for small casual transactions is forever beyond its grasp. But nobody cares because that's not what it was ever really about.

Why do libertarians decry fiat currencies? It's not because they fear a collapse of the banking system (which has been remarkably resilient since the world moved off the gold standard in 1971), it's that they hate the possibility of their stash eroding in value. In short - greed - the same reason they hate taxes and the government doing anything to help others. That's the real reason they like Bitcoin, and why its total failure as a low cost transaction method doesn't bother them.
 
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Perhaps not outright, but it was strongly implied inferred by me.
ftfy.

Your entire case and pathological hatred of bitcoin is predicated on the false claim that it is intended to replace every fiat currency in the world. When presented as it really is - an alternative "currency" that people may use or not use as they see fit, your case collapses. The white paper that you quoted even says that "the [current] system works well enough for most transactions". Hardly a bank ending revolutionary statement.
 
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I just made up the "jeremyp theory". I don't even have to explain it. It now officially exists.

he did explain it, you just didn’t watch it. i can tell because you started talking about juggalo coin. you don’t even know why you’re mad lol
 

reuters article covering the increasingly shaky financial backing of tether whose reserve assets keep getting riskier with time. tether facilitates a large amount of on chain bitcoin transactions, and thus a large part of bitcoins price is determined by transactions with tether.
 
ftfy.

Your entire case and pathological hatred of bitcoin is predicated on the false claim that it is intended to replace every fiat currency in the world.
Now that is a straw man.

When presented as it really is - an alternative "currency" that people may use or not use as they see fit,
It isn't an alternative currency. It's a speculation vehicle. It's a way to gamble qwithout having to go to a casino.
 
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he did explain it, you just didn’t watch it. i can tell because you started talking about juggalo coin. you don’t even know why you’re mad lol
I saw enough of the video to see that it is claiming that juggalos are cult fanatics therefore anybody who buys bitcoin is a cult fanatic. There is no need to waste any more of my life on it.

If they didn't even mention that the juggalos set up their own crypto then the video is even less informative than I thought. It shows that they didn't care what cult they searched for as long as they could use it for an analogy.
 
I hate it with a passion, mostly for its climate effects, and the facilitating of crime.
Yes, the excessive energy used in mining is a serious problem. I don't know if it is currently affecting the climate nor if the wasted energy will continue to increase until it does affect the climate. Something needs to be done about it.

As for "facilitating" crime, have you got any evidence that crime has increased because of the semi-anonymous nature of bitcoin transactions?
 
I saw enough of the video to see that it is claiming that juggalos are cult fanatics therefore anybody who buys bitcoin is a cult fanatic. There is no need to waste any more of my life on it.

If they didn't even mention that the juggalos set up their own crypto then the video is even less informative than I thought. It shows that they didn't care what cult they searched for as long as they could use it for an analogy.

lol ok
 
I saw enough of the video to see that it is claiming that juggalos are cult fanatics therefore anybody who buys bitcoin is a cult fanatic. There is no need to waste any more of my life on it.

If they didn't even mention that the juggalos set up their own crypto then the video is even less informative than I thought. It shows that they didn't care what cult they searched for as long as they could use it for an analogy.
The juggalo part was just an analogy. The theory is that those people who are invested in BTC act like a cult. They have to persuade other people to buy BTC because the only way that they don't lose money is to persuade somebody else to pay more money to take their BTC off their hands than they paid to buy the BTC. And the only way to do that is to convince them that BTC always goes up and there is no evidence that it will always go up in future.
 
Yes, the excessive energy used in mining is a serious problem.
And has been for a while. Now it's becoming a serious problem for BTC miners since they are competing with AI companies for the energy. It's becoming too expensive to mine BTC.

I don't know if it is currently affecting the climate nor if the wasted energy will continue to increase until it does affect the climate.
All energy production is affecting the climate. It's just a question of how much and are we getting anything of use out of it.

Something needs to be done about it.

As for "facilitating" crime, have you got any evidence that crime has increased because of the semi-anonymous nature of bitcoin transactions?
The word used was "facilitating". Bitcoin has made it easier to commit certain kinds of crime. That doesn't mean that overall crime has increased because of it.
 
i like to listen to this guy explain how a video he didn't even watch wasn't as thorough as he thought it should be

unbelievable lol
 
The juggalo part was just an analogy. The theory is that those people who are invested in BTC act like a cult. They have to persuade other people to buy BTC because the only way that they don't lose money is to persuade somebody else to pay more money to take their BTC off their hands than they paid to buy the BTC. And the only way to do that is to convince them that BTC always goes up and there is no evidence that it will always go up in future.
You haven't posted anything I haven't seen a million times before on this thread. Why don't you deal with my responses to this nonsense instead of regurgitating it yet again as if nobody ever thought of this argument before?

And what does this have to do with juggalos?
 
You haven't posted anything I haven't seen a million times before on this thread.

Your post was number 4718 in this thread. You are wrong by three orders of magnitude.

Why don't you deal with my responses to this nonsense instead of regurgitating it yet again as if nobody ever thought of this argument before?

It isn't nonsense. BTC is a cult. The only way to make money off it is to persuade somebody to buy it off you for more than you bought it. There's no evidence that they will be able to sell it for more than they bought it, so how do you persuade them? You induct them into the cult.

And what does this have to do with juggalos?
Try watching the video.
 
i know some posters in this thread don't really like talking about bitcoin much or learning new information related to it or about the current events related to it and likes to pretend everything has been discussed and settled and nothing could be new or possibly change, but i think a lot has changed over the last 17 years. like what people thought bitcoin would be and what it's become, and how it's going. i mean, i wasn't around back then for it, but 15 years ago did the bitcoin guys think it was just some stupid speculative scam gambling thing that north korean hackers and russian oligarchs and election fraudsters could use the liquidity of to launder money and evade financial sanctions and just leave it alone and stop criticizing it? or did they think it would be a revolutionary tech? replace money? be widely used? because none of that happened either
 

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