Merged Bitcoin - Part 3

[JoeMorgue]

The fact is you are completely and entirely unable to understand that NFTs are more than just artwork.

Of course not, art work physically exists. These JPEGs with pretensions.

These are Beanie Babies without the Beanie Baby part.

 

[plague311]

Of course not, art work physically exists. These JPEGs with pretensions.

These are Beanie Babies without the Beanie Baby part.

Other than, of course, the NFTs that come with the physical artwork as well.

Then again, it doesn't really matter because they aren't designed to physically exist.

Do you yell at people that play MMOs like this too?

"You guys are just playing JPEGS with pretensions! Stop it! You're stupid!"

 

[JoeMorgue]

Other than, of course, the NFTs that come with the physical artwork as well.

Okay. My Blu-ray of Godzilla Vs Kong can with a digital download code. Doesn't change anything.

Then again, it doesn't really matter because they aren't designed to physically exist.

Do you yell at people that play MMOs like this too?

"You guys are just playing JPEGS with pretensions! Stop it! You're stupid!"

A picture of a monkey that you have the only copy of... until someone screen shots it and a game that provides you with something to do are not the same thing.

Again NFTs, Crypto... it's the same base problem. WHAT DOES IT DO? With everything else you can answer that question.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Other than, of course, the NFTs that come with the physical artwork as well.

Then again, it doesn't really matter because they aren't designed to physically exist.

Do you yell at people that play MMOs like this too?

"You guys are just playing JPEGS with pretensions! Stop it! You're stupid!"

Plenty of loot mechanics in video games are worthy of scorn. Much of it seems to be little more than semi-legal gambling directed towards children. In some cases, speculative bubbles and busts have occurred based on marketplaces that have sprung up around video game skins and other rare "loot".

At least with video games there's an argument to be made that some of the value is based on a real thing of value, an entertainment product.

 

[BobTheCoward]

Do you yell at people that play MMOs like this too?

Yes. For years

 

[plague311]

Okay. My Blu-ray of Godzilla Vs Kong can with a digital download code. Doesn't change anything.

LoL So whether you get something physical or not, you don't seem to care? I'm goin to run grab a heat pack for this whiplash going on.

A picture of a monkey that you have the only copy of... until someone screen shots it and a game that provides you with something to do are not the same thing.

I mean, no **** lol That's exactly my point. That's why these repeated claims of "NFTs are x" are so ludicrous. NFTs aren't one thing. If coming here and blasting art NFTs gives you some sense of accomplishment, then have at it. I just like to pop in and correct the record so that, should someone new come read this, they don't just read complete bull **** all of the time.

Again NFTs, Crypto... it's the same base problem. WHAT DOES IT DO? With everything else you can answer that question.

The answer is "it can do a ton of things." The fact you don't know, or don't understand the range of their usage is a you problem, not a me problem.

 

[plague311]

At least with video games there's an argument to be made that some of the value is based on a real thing of value, an entertainment product.

What "real thing of value" is that? A "no trade" item that can't be shuffled between accounts? If you sell the account is that any different than selling an NFT used in a game? Do you go wag your finger, and chastise those same people?

There's an argument to be made that there is value in crypto as well. None that you'll accept, which is why I'm not trying to change your mind. Just providing a different viewpoint from someone who, you know, has actual experience dealing with them rather than repeatedly posting articles they find after googling "NFTs and crypto are teh terribleness".

 

[JoeMorgue]

The answer is "it can do a ton of things." The fact you don't know, or don't understand the range of their usage is a you problem, not a me problem.

What things?

"Ya know... things. Lots of things!"

Name one.

"Lots of things!"

 

[TurkeysGhost]

What "real thing of value" is that? A "no trade" item that can't be shuffled between accounts? If you sell the account is that any different than selling an NFT used in a game? Do you go wag your finger, and chastise those same people?

I find it pretty stupid to spend real money to buy digital clothing. I play quite a few games where there's clearly pressure to get people, often children, to spend large amounts of real money on digital assets of no worth, or worse on the opportunity to win such items through a gambling system (loot crates).

Regulators from more than a dozen countries are looking to crack down on 'loot boxes,' a controversial video gaming practice that could be too much like gambling

https://www.businessinsider.com/loot-boxes-european-regulation-2018-9


Complaints about "pay to win" games are quite common as well, and many of these have a business plan that seems to hinge on taking advantage of people with impulse control problems.

There's an argument to be made that there is value in crypto as well. None that you'll accept, which is why I'm not trying to change your mind. Just providing a different viewpoint from someone who, you know, has actual experience dealing with them rather than repeatedly posting articles they find after googling "NFTs and crypto are teh terribleness".

Seems like NFTs take the worst elements of "loot crate" culture in video games and add a superfluous blockchain element that adds little more than gratuitous environmental harm. What's not to like?

 

[plague311]

Going back to the tried and true methods. Spot on...

What things?

"Ya know... things. Lots of things!"

Name one.

"Lots of things!"

I've explained what things several times. A few in this thread, a few in the other threads. Most of it based around entertainment. You can play online video games, you can race horses\chickens, you can play MMO style games, you can use crypto to buy items, there are things like Klima that are trying to do work in the climate action space.

I mean, ****, how many times have I done this now? Just because you're a bigger a fanboi of throwing strawmen in quotes doesn't mean that this hasn't been explained to you. You'll ignore it again, or come up with some other nonsensical phrase in quotes, but, again, there are several uses for NFTs\Crypto and even other digital assets.

 

[JoeMorgue]

We've had online gaming for like... 30 years now. NFTs are something new.

You're trying to argue everything virtual is an NFT, or at least equivalent to one, and that's not true.

 

[plague311]

I find it pretty stupid to spend real money to buy digital clothing. I play quite a few games where there's clearly pressure to get people, often children, to spend large amounts of real money on digital assets of no worth, or worse on the opportunity to win such items through a gambling system (loot crates).

I find lots of things pretty stupid. I just generally don't try to tell other people what to do with their money.

https://www.businessinsider.com/loot-boxes-european-regulation-2018-9

Ok...an article from 2018 about UK regulation. Thanks, I'll pass for now though.

Complaints about "pay to win" games are quite common as well, and many of these have a business plan that seems to hinge on taking advantage of people with impulse control problems.

Ok.

Seems like NFTs take the worst elements of "loot crate" culture in video games and add a superfluous blockchain element that adds little more than gratuitous environmental harm. What's not to like?

Got it.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

I find lots of things pretty stupid. I just generally don't try to tell other people what to do with their money.

You're insistence to defend this crap betrays that you care a lot more than you let on.

Feel free to ignore me if you find my bleating uninteresting, but whining every time someone trashes crypto scam projects then claiming to be aloof is plainly insincere.

 

[plague311]

We've had online gaming for like... 30 years now. NFTs are something new.

You're trying to argue everything virtual is an NFT, or at least equivalent to one, and that's not true.

No, I'm not. I'm not making that argument at all. I'm saying you have issues implying NFTs are 1 thing, rather than the myriad of things they are. I've agreed, and will again, that there is plenty of room for scamming, phishing, etc. in the NFT\Crypto market. There are scammers, phishing, etc. in every market.

I'll agree there are environmental impacts, something that I am seeing *some* crypto looking to change. I see a massive digital universe that can be used for a ton of things, both good and bad. I don't focus on just the bad, you guys do. We just disagree on it. Like I said, my goal here wasn't change your mind, and it was definitely not to change STs. I just wanted more than an echo chamber should someone feel like reading this thread. Though, by looking at the last so pages, it's pretty much just down to 4-5 people looping endlessly. Like a GIF

 

[JoeMorgue]

We did the jump to "My right to have an opinion" pretty quick there.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Though, by looking at the last so pages, it's pretty much just down to 4-5 people looping endlessly. Like a GIF

You think someone would buy it as an NFT? I need the money for a Steamdeck come next month.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

No, I'm not. I'm not making that argument at all. I'm saying you have issues implying NFTs are 1 thing, rather than the myriad of things they are. I've agreed, and will again, that there is plenty of room for scamming, phishing, etc. in the NFT\Crypto market. There are scammers, phishing, etc. in every market.

I'll agree there are environmental impacts, something that I am seeing *some* crypto looking to change. I see a massive digital universe that can be used for a ton of things, both good and bad. I don't focus on just the bad, you guys do. We just disagree on it. Like I said, my goal here wasn't change your mind, and it was definitely not to change STs. I just wanted more than an echo chamber should someone feel like reading this thread. Though, by looking at the last so pages, it's pretty much just down to 4-5 people looping endlessly. Like a GIF

I'm still trying to figure out what exactly NFTs add to anything that isn't entirely superfluous.

 

[plague311]

You're insistence to defend this crap betrays that you care a lot more than you let on.

Yeah, popping in a thread once every few months is definitely an insistence. Absolutely. 100% crushing it ST.

Feel free to ignore me if you find my bleating uninteresting, but whining every time someone trashes crypto scam projects then claiming to be aloof is plainly insincere.

Thank God I'm not doing that, at all. If hyperbole is what works for you though, you're crushing it!

I don't want to ignore you. For most things, in general, I agree with your viewpoints. As with police, I find you to just generalize this topic and continue to rail against it perpetually. While I don't agree, I certainly don't have animosity about it. You guys on the other hand seem to get extremely aggressive when confronted about it. I'm not sure why, but it's not all that important. We all have our things.

 

[plague311]

You think someone would buy it as an NFT? I need the money for a Steamdeck come next month.

Admittedly I haven't minted many NFTs, but maybe? You could certainly try it. Watch out though, there are a myriad of people that will bitch about what you do on your console. You've been warned.

I'm still trying to figure out what exactly NFTs add to anything that isn't entirely superfluous.

Maybe nothing. Like I said, I mostly play horse racing because it's my opportunity to own a horse, run it on my schedule, win money here and there, and watch her crush the competition from time to time.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Maybe nothing. Like I said, I mostly play horse racing because it's my opportunity to own a horse, run it on my schedule, win money here and there, and watch her crush the competition from time to time.

What happens if the developer ceases supporting the game? Does the crypto token nature of your video game asset provide you any meaningful "ownership" beyond just having an ordinary video game account?