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Bitcoin - Part 2

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It is hard to know how to respond to somebody who apparently sees no difference between defending bitcoin and criticizing a faulty argument.

It is also hard to know how to respond to somebody who apparently sees no difference between the perception of defending bitcoin and not seeing the difference between defending bitcoin and criticizing a faulty argument.

I know the difference, and I can see the difference. In your case, however, it's reflective. You see an argument against BTC, you counter it. It doesn't really matter if the argument is good or bad or trivial or important. That's now I tell the difference.
 
It's also possible that what happened in 2013 has nothing to do with what will happen in 2019.
:confused: So I shouldn't have reminded belz that bitcoin has had harder slumps before?

You seem to be arguing here that if an argument is old, that it shouldn't be brought up again even though it's valid.
All of the arguments are just recycled constantly. They are addressing claims that are not being made in this thread - mainly the claim that bitcoin is a viable currency that will replace fiat currencies (Michaelsuede hasn't posted here in a very long time).
 
:confused: All of the arguments are just recycled constantly. They are addressing claims that are not being made in this thread - mainly the claim that bitcoin is a viable currency that will replace fiat currencies (Michaelsuede hasn't posted here in a very long time).


This thread is a general discussion about Bitcoin and not limited to what Michaelsuede said years ago.



I am not sure that anybody has mentioned this recently as a rebuttal to Bitcoins potential, and the latest claim I checked on in on-line articles was in August last year when the claim was made that Bitcoin would replace fiat when reached US$213,000. So, yes, it is a blind alley and not worth discussing. But any article from a respected source within the market is fodder for discussion. And one such thing which is still prevalent is future prices, which happens regularly.



Again a serious objection, among less serious ones, are articles from people who seem to have some "respect" (probably not the right word) in the industry who claim without firm data, that Bitcoin will reach "x" by the end of "y" with figures of $25,000 and $50,000 being mentioned (although often with a disclaimer that you should not invest more than you can afford to lose, which is good advice about any investment). What I don't like about this is that it could encourage some people to speculate in Bitcoin, thinking it is easy money.


Those that say it is worth nothing are of the same mindset, just on the opposite side of the coin.



It seems to be hovering around $US3,400 - $3,500 at present, and that is a good thing because it gives an opportunity for investors to sit back, not to look for short term profits from what has been basically from fluctuations and speculation, but to look at the technology itself, and find any future value there.



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Again a serious objection, among less serious ones, are articles from people who seem to have some "respect" (probably not the right word) in the industry who claim without firm data, that Bitcoin will reach "x" by the end of "y" with figures of $25,000 and $50,000 being mentioned (although often with a disclaimer that you should not invest more than you can afford to lose, which is good advice about any investment). What I don't like about this is that it could encourage some people to speculate in Bitcoin, thinking it is easy money.
"Get rich quick" promotions are not limited to bitcoin. Bitcoin schemes are just one of the more recent additions to the scammers' arsenal. My spam folder is chockerblock full of promotions that promise riches for nothing.

There is not much that can be done about it. You can't legislate against stupidity and I'm sure that you can imagine the CT that would be spun if there was any attempt to curtail these emailouts.

Those that say it is worth nothing are of the same mindset, just on the opposite side of the coin.
Agreed.
 
"Get rich quick" promotions are not limited to bitcoin. Bitcoin schemes are just one of the more recent additions to the scammers' arsenal. My spam folder is chockerblock full of promotions that promise riches for nothing.

There is not much that can be done about it. You can't legislate against stupidity and I'm sure that you can imagine the CT that would be spun if there was any attempt to curtail these emailouts.


So you agree that there are some scammers inside the Bitcoin industry, given the number of articles that suggest that the sky is the limit.





Or just over exuberant promoters.


e.g. Tom Lee


http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12507324&postcount=3161



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So you agree that there are some scammers inside the Bitcoin industry, given the number of articles that suggest that the sky is the limit.
When have I said that there aren't?

I just challenge the notion that it is due to "the sky is the limit" articles. Scammers abound no matter what the product and no matter what the bulls or bears have to say.
 
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Quadriga just went down, taking $190 million with it:

https://gizmodo.com/crypto-exchange-says-it-cant-repay-190-million-to-clie-1832309454

This is a Canadian exchange, it's where I sold some BTC to buy my wife an iPhone X. They mailed me cash for it. Was really weird.

Anyway, apparently the founder died at the age of 30, and he was the only one with the password to the site's "cold storage".

I'm pretty sure I lost nothing in this, since I didn't maintain a balance there.
 
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Just another case of the unregulated bitcoin market reinventing the wheel. All the same scams and failures that traditional financial markets experienced through their long history (bank failures, ponzi schemes, bubbles) are new again with crypto.

Bank fails overnight and the consumers are left with nothing. FDIC protection is for losers, this is the future baby!
 
This technology is really rock solid.

Admittedly this was a business model failure rather than a technology failure. Apparently they are unfamiliar with the concept of off site back ups(ie not in his head)

How do you find out if the company you are dealing with is following reasonable practices in this regard?
 
So does that mean a whole bunch of Bitcoins have now become inaccessible?

If what is being claimed (maybe he faked his death etc) is true, then that wad of BTC is now inaccessible. Barring breaking the encryption.

This kind of coin attrition is one stated reason for Dogecoin's 5% per year of additional coins. (I think it's 5%)

And PonderingTurtle is right; it's not a tech failure, but an organizational failure. Though the technology is rather fault-intolerant. :)
 
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So does that mean a whole bunch of Bitcoins have now become inaccessible?

I have a feeling that all of them are about to be accessed all at once. The ghost of the poor dead password holder back to haunt the world of the living.

Or a scammer coming for his pile of loot. It's hard to say which.
 
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