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Birthright Citizenship

I am an American. If my child is born in Russia when I am vacationing in Russia, I want my child to be an American citizen, not a Russian citizen.

Why the hell would I want my child to automatically become a citizen of Libya, South Africa, Japan, or Indonesia, just cause we are there on vacation for a week?

Birthright citizenship for children of non-citizens is laughable.
 
Thunder said:
I am an American. If my child is born in Russia when I am vacationing in Russia, I want my child to be an American citizen, not a Russian citizen.
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You have that option. What's the problem?

Why the hell would I want my child to automatically become a citizen of Libya, South Africa, Japan, or Indonesia, just cause we are there on vacation for a week?
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You wouldn't. Since this isn't the case, it's a non-issue. But feel free to continue to whine about what a horrible thing this is.

Birthright citizenship for children of non-citizens is laughable.
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It also doesn't appear to be something you have the slightest clue about.
 
AlBell said:
When did the discussion switch to legal resident aliens?
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Becasue that is exactly what will happen if the 14th amendment gets changed. First the children of illigal aliens will be barred from citizenship, then the children of legal resident aleins, then only those whose grandparents were citizens. It's a slippery slope, where do you stop?
 
Once again, I have to point out that the key issue under attack here is not birthright citizenship per say, but the equal protecion clause. Under the equal protection clause it doesn't matter if you are a citizen or not.
 
Thunder said:
I am an American. If my child is born in Russia when I am vacationing in Russia, I want my child to be an American citizen, not a Russian citizen.

Why the hell would I want my child to automatically become a citizen of Libya, South Africa, Japan, or Indonesia, just cause we are there on vacation for a week?

Birthright citizenship for children of non-citizens is laughable.
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You seem to be afraid of things you have imagined to be a problem.

If you try to put your thoughts into logical arguments you may find real justification for your opinions. Or you may find that your opinions are not as well founded as you previously thought. It is hard to know until you try.
 
Alferd_Packer said:
Becasue that is exactly what will happen if the 14th amendment gets changed. First the children of illigal aliens will be barred from citizenship, then the children of legal resident aleins, then only those whose grandparents were citizens. It's a slippery slope, where do you stop?
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Don't even need slippery slope to realize the problems. I want to expand on your previous point of them being stateless. If somebody enters the US illegally fleeing persecution in another country, then has a child here, is the country from which his parents come from required to grant him citizenship?

We have a situation where the person cannot voluntarily leave the US legally, or more specifically cannot enter another country legally, because without citizenship in any country, cannot obtain a passport. What will be the legal status of thier children? and so on.
 
Thunder said:
and what Native American tribe do you belong to?

oh, and btw, North America was not "stolen" from the Native Americans.

it was conquered. just like how all the European tribes conquered the lands that eventually came to be known as independent states, such as Spain, Portugal, France, Germany, Holland, Italy, etc etc.
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So when Israel conquered the west bank that gave them a legal right to displace the existing residents and decide who gets to be a citizen of the territory?
 
Has anyone in this thread brought up the inconvenient fact of how unbelievably difficult it is to become a United States citizen legally? If you are an unskilled worker, the wait list approaches infinity in time. It's not as if people who are illegal immigrants just feel like purposely avoiding the immigration system. Not to say that every illegal immigrant comes here with honest intentions, but it's also not as if it's a universal scam on the American taxpayer. It's just very difficult to become a legal immigrant at this point in time.
 
lomiller said:
So when Israel conquered the west bank that gave them a legal right to displace the existing residents and decide who gets to be a citizen of the territory?
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cute. turning this into a thread about Israel.

very very cute. ;)
 
Thunder said:
how is this my problem?
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From what you've said regarding your stance on rights, it's not a stretch to assume that you would be okay with one person who was a citizen legally, and not okay with the identical person who was not a legal citizen. My implication is that if this is your issue, you may want to look into supporting a revised immigration policy to make it easier for people who wish to come here legally to do so. Make sense?
 
I have seen no evidence that our existing immigration system is too slow, unfare, too rigid, discriminatory, etc etc.

I have never heard a legal immigrant complain about how crappy the system is. I currently work with 4 in my immediate office, and possibly 100 more in my office building.

But for the sake of this thread, I will ask them tomorrow.
 
Thunder said:
I have seen no evidence that our existing immigration system is too slow, unfare, too rigid, discriminatory, etc etc.

I have never heard a legal immigrant complain about how crappy the system is. I currently work with 4 in my immediate office, and possibly 100 more in my office building.

But for the sake of this thread, I will ask them tomorrow.
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They must have not ever talked to you about the process. I have worked with many over the years, and universally they say it's incredibly inefficient, expensive, complicated, unpredictable, lacking visibility into progress, and so forth. This is usually applies to the path to a green card. After that, once the time pressure of an expiring visa is off, there is less worry about the path to becoming a citizen, if it's even desired.

This is all tangential to the topic of the thread. I am still waiting to find out the size of the problem caused by birthright citizenship, and truly hope you can illuminate.
 
Again, I shall talk to my many immigrant co-workers tomorrow, and ask them about their experience trying to come to the USA.
 
That will definitely clear up the issue of how the immigration process for thousands of applicants is handled, thank you. 4 people is most definitely a representative sample, and should lay the issue to rest once and for all. :rolleyes:
 
A Laughing Baby said:
That will definitely clear up the issue of how the immigration process for thousands of applicants is handled, thank you. 4 people is most definitely a representative sample, and should lay the issue to rest once and for all. :rolleyes:
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that will be four more people that have given their personal experiences, then in this thread.

if you like, I could walk from office to office, asking every immigrant I find:

"would you consider your immigration process to have been relatively fare?"

there are at least 40-50 legal immigrants within 100 feet of my desk. :)
 
Although we have no proof of that and there is basically no way to prove it without asking you for personal details (which is going too far in my opinion), I'm still interested to see how that goes.
 
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