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Birthers 'R' Back

the comments only prove how dumb people really are.

seriously, even the WND article on this new certificate makes my blood boil, even though they've done enough to debunk it as well ( http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=108005 )


WHAt is so hard for these sites to bother in CONTACTING hawaii officials (heck the HOSPITALS) to confirm this? they can't even get basic information correct like below:

The "certification of live birth" posted online and widely touted as "Obama's birth certificate" does not in any way prove he was born in Hawaii, since the same "short-form" document is easily obtainable for children not born in Hawaii. The true "long-form" birth certificate – which includes information such as the name of the birth hospital and attending physician – is the only document that can prove Obama was born in Hawaii, but to date he has not permitted its release for public or press scrutiny.
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the bolded part is absolutely wrong. YES those born not in Hawaii, will be able to get a Short form (AS THAT IS THE ONLY document available to ANYONE!), but that SHORT FORM will STATE exactly what country the child was born in. The short form GETS its information from Birth Records (as submitted to the Department of Health by HOSPITALS and hospitals only), or by the OFFICIAL documents supplied by immigrant families (ie Passports and VISAS).


egahd...the wrong information being shared is mind numbing. AND god, I want to tear my hair out
 
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Arus808 said:
the comments only prove how dumb people really are.

seriously, even the WND article on this new certificate makes my blood boil, even though they've done enough to debunk it as well ( http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=108005 )


WHAt is so hard for these sites to bother in CONTACTING hawaii officials (heck the HOSPITALS) to confirm this? they can't even get basic information correct like below:



the bolded part is absolutely wrong. YES those born not in Hawaii, will be able to get a Short form (AS THAT IS THE ONLY document available to ANYONE!), but that SHORT FORM will STATE exactly what country the child was born in. The short form GETS its information from Birth Records (as submitted to the Department of Health by HOSPITALS and hospitals only), or by the OFFICIAL documents supplied by immigrant families (ie Passports and VISAS).


egahd...the wrong information being shared is mind numbing. AND god, I want to tear my hair out
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If Obama has access to the long form, why hasn't he released it?
 
NO one in the public has access to the long form. Only the department of health officials, who have weighted in on this, too many times to count.

As to the long form, he simply could have lost his copy. IT happens. How many times did BO move when he was child; and of course, his mother divorced his father and remarried and moved. Paperwork can get lost.

I dont have my long form because my parents lost it when i was 2 years old, in our move from hawaii to Florida and back to Hawaii. The only form that is given by Hawaii is the Short form, and has been that form since the 70's (its gone through various changes over the years but the information presented is still the same).

and the short form contains only the pertinent information that is available on the archived long form.
 
Arus808 said:
NO one in the public has access to the long form. Only the department of health officials, who have weighted in on this, too many times to count.

As to the long form, he simply could have lost his copy. IT happens. How many times did BO move when he was child; and of course, his mother divorced his father and remarried and moved. Paperwork can get lost.

I dont have my long form because my parents lost it when i was 2 years old, in our move from hawaii to Florida and back to Hawaii. The only form that is given by Hawaii is the Short form, and has been that form since the 70's (its gone through various changes over the years but the information presented is still the same).

and the short form contains only the pertinent information that is available on the archived long form.
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Thanks for the information. Are you saying the state of Hawaii will not release a copy of the long form even for the President of the United States?

I'm told that Hawaii used to take in immigrants with or without a birth certificate and then register and issue a short form which stated that they were born in the United States; sort of the way some undocumented immigrants are issued social security cards in California.

On the other hand, I have to wonder, why does it matter whether or not he was born in Hawaii or not? I thought he would be considered a natural-born citizen if his mother was a U.S. citizen.
 
Richard Masters said:
I'm told that Hawaii used to take in immigrants with or without a birth certificate and then register and issue a short form which stated that they were born in the United States; sort of the way some undocumented immigrants are issued social security cards in California.
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I doubt that you've been told that by any reputable source.

On the other hand, I have to wonder, why does it matter whether or not he was born in Hawaii or not? I thought he would be considered a natural-born citizen if his mother was a U.S. citizen.
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It matters because his mother was not yet old enough (had not lived long enough in the USA) to convey US citizenship to her children by non-US citizens.
 
Richard Masters said:
If Obama has access to the long form, why hasn't he released it?
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why the hell should he?

the Birthers will just claim its a fake after they see it.

Birthers are not governed by logic or reason. Only hatred of a liberal black man, son of a Muslim, as President.
 
Richard Masters said:
Thanks for the information. Are you saying the state of Hawaii will not release a copy of the long form even for the President of the United States?
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yes even for the POTUS. If our native Hawaiian Governor can't get his long form certificate, why would the POTUS be granted the favor?

I'm told that Hawaii used to take in immigrants with or without a birth certificate and then register and issue a short form which stated that they were born in the United States; sort of the way some undocumented immigrants are issued social security cards in California.
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then you heard it from an uneducated, not from Hawaii, rumor spreading, Obama hating critic. what you stated is emphatically untrue. My good friend, born in the Philipines, who came here as a 3 month old baby with his immigrant parents; his short form clearly states, born in Cebu City, Cebu, Philippines.

where did that information come from? The Work Visas and passports, that was applied by his parents for them to come to Hawaii to work on the Dole Plantations.

On the other hand, I have to wonder, why does it matter whether or not he was born in Hawaii or not? I thought he would be considered a natural-born citizen if his mother was a U.S. citizen.
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Yup. It doesn't matter. All the arguments presented are nothing more than red herrings
 
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I'm seeing an awful lot of "praise God" in those comments. Since when did the Birther movement become a religious one?
 
Travis said:
I'm seeing an awful lot of "praise God" in those comments. Since when did the Birther movement become a religious one?
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Probably since it was boiled down to the Crazy Wing of the Republican Party.
 
If you believe in the anti-christ...and Obama as the anti-christ than exposure of his lies would bring about a praise god. However, one wonders whether Satan would be so sloppy in his preperation for global domination?
 
Here's an interesting new angle on the other faked birth certificate:

Navymom said:
I’m just praying that this isn’t all a set-up. The day after Orly put the shorter form birth certificate on her website, somebody went through a lot of trouble on the internet to debunk it by putting in a similar one from Australia and changed the information on it. Also, the very next day, Hillary Clinton hurriedly left for Africa. lol
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So they think the Australian one is fake.
 
LashL said:
Heh - and the names of the doctors include O WANG and O DONG... and yet neither signature appears to have the letter G in it.
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My signature doesn't appear to have the letter L in it, even though that letter is in my name.

What, there are people in the world whose signatures are actually legible? Couldn't be.
 
haha. my last name is split into two, and its 6 letters. My first name is 8 letters. My signature; you can only recognize 6 letters....
 
You can see the first letter of my first & last names. The rest...:P
 
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