SYLVESTER1592
Critical Thinker
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- May 7, 2007
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I see we are getting nowhere. For some reason you don't think that being in a war subject to bombing and gunfire and being a prime target for thousands of invading soldiers is a likely scenario where you could die. I think I said it 4 times now already. The analogy can be made for lots of other people that died in one war or another. Insisting that they must be alive, because we can not find their bodies or determine the exact cause of death doesn't work in a warzone: Vietnam, Cambodia, Korea, WWII. Or even in the US I think, in peace time, 9/11?
The thing that changed for Bin Laden after the invasion of Afghanistan was that there was no Taliban leadership to keep him from harm, and the invasion itself, carpet bombing, cave-busters, and soldiers coming after him. That could be a reason things changed. Otherwise invading Afghanistan would have been a complete failure to achieve the objective to find Bin Laden. The reaon to invade the country was to go get him and not having to deal with the taliban to get him. You seem to miss that point for the 5 th time.
You want to find out the following: "How he died. When he died. Where he died". These are your requests, understandable, but not in line with the guidelines for death in absentia you quoted.
Regardless of that, the point is the last lines in the requirements to proclaim someone legally dead:
"How the individual is thought to have died (murder, suicide, accident, etc.)
the balance of probabilities that make it more likely than not that the individual is dead"
Which doesn't say you need to be certain, and points out that you have to weigh the probabilities. The chance that this man is dead, seems much more likely then him being the superpowered evil-villain you make him out to be.
I would agree that Iraq had nothing to do with fundamentalism or with terrorism in the sense that was witnessed on 9/11. I also find it rather unlikely that if they can find Saddam Hussein in a hole in Iraq in 2 months time, that they can't find Bin -Laden there in a period of several years, if he should be in Iraq.
Concerning Afghanistan: it's not me who believes Bin Laden is there, ( I think he's dead, remember ?) but the army seems to think he's alive and well in Afghanistan and needs to be found. They are still there...
Again: it's not just "we haven't seen him for a while", we tried to kill a bad old man on dialysis with overwhelming force "shock and awe",
"Sending in troops and invading several countries. Also including the national security of several countries to find him and interrogating a very large number of people, civilians, terrorists and even using what can be considered torture to extract information."
So therefore it seems likely that we succeeded if you cannot find him anymore and don't hear from him... Much more likely then him having extraordinary powers to evade all this and survive for years on end, without any technology. The probability for him being hit by a bomb, if he is the target, is much higher then him surviving as some extra-ordinarily gifted person. Nevertheless, people insist that he must be this good at evading the US forces even if hundreds of thousands of civilians fail at this (even when they are not the primary target).
My post was merely a footnote to Darat's ascertion that "we know he was alive at some point of time so it is the one making the claim that he is now dead who has the burden of proof. " You were so curtious to point out the possibility of death in absentia, to which I was refering. The reason this is so dragged out is because you seem to feel it is less likely he's dead despite the conditions that have changed for him as mentioned above.
We can continue to discuss this, but regardless of what comes out of that, the fact is that it remains a reason for occupation of the area, even if the likelyhood of him surviving this are slim at best. ( You can discuss if there is any justification for this, but that is beside the point of my posts)
If I made any spelling errors in my post I like to apologize, it's not my native language and I'll do the best I can to avoid them.
I hope this clarification helps.
SYL
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