Bill Clinton was Impeached

TragicMonkey said:
Did I say that? No. He was impeached for trying to get out of it, which was dishonest and, far worse, impolite to the lady. If someone's nice enough to blow you, the least you can do is not go on camera and call her "that woman". It was intolerably rude. But not very many people died over it. Congress didn't even care enough to go beyond impeachment.

My point is that it's over with. If someone wants to make a big deal about honesty on the part of the president, well, shouldn't they be busy hounding Bush? He's still in office, at least. Why bother beating what is a thoroughly dead and decayed horse?
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Imagine if the state of the union was under oath, think of the amount of times he would have committed purgery.
 
Bill Thompson said:
Sexual Harassment is a crime. The fact that the Clintons had the means to perform some crafty legal maneuvering does not diminish the seriousness of the crime. Telling Monica Lewinsky to lie to Paula Jones' lawyers is also a crime. The fact that you can settle out of court, find legal loopholes, and avoid conviction does not magically change your status as a criminal. A criminal is one who commits crimes. A criminal is not always convicted.

I will put your suggested book on my list. But your logic sounds like wishful thinking to me.
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Except that remember when the judge threw the case out by saying that even if everything Paula said was true it was not at the level of criminal sexual harassment?
 
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Bill Thompson said:
Historically we look at a candidate spouse when choosing the person to occupy our hightest office. If we do not do so in this case it is a double standard.
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Who's the WE? If you mean lecherous old farts like me, yeah . . . we DO look at the President's wife, but only to see if she's got a cute butt or nice legs, otherwise looking at her for four long years will be difficult. Other than that, I really don't expect much from the First Lady other than picking up a pet project or two. (Save the illiterate whales or something).
 
Bill Thompson said:
Sexual Harassment is a crime.
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What crime is sexual harassment? I'm a lawyer and I know of no crime named Sexual Harassment. And whom is Clinton supposed to have sexually harassed? If it was Paula Jones, her case went nowhere, no criminal charges were ever brought and nothing in the Articles of Impeachment had to do with Clinton's conduct toward Jones.
 
Bill Thompson said:
I don't know where this discussion thread will spin off to.
I can think of 4 directions.
  • Denial
  • Refusal to believe that is a big deal
  • Old History and does not impact Hillary's possible presidency because Hillary did not have anything to do with it (ironically, this is not true).
  • Bush is worse (dispite what the press wants you to believe this is not true either).
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Let's see. Looks like only the first one hasn't been covered, so:

There is no way Bill Clinton was impeached.

Feel better now, Bill?



Now, how is it that an impeachment of a President that is no longer in office that didn't lead to conviction a decade ago is a big deal? What is your obsession with Bill Clinton?
 
Upchurch said:
What is your obsession with Bill Clinton?
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The same as most right-wingnuts; for lustful entanglements he sullied the honor of the Oval Office where Reagan, Nixon and other great Presidents protected our Democracy and our freedom. ;)
 
RandFan said:
Bush - Clinton - Bush - Clinton? History repeating itself?
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Bill Clinton can run for President again in 2008. He has been rather active in Democrat party politics, and working the speaking tour. As the Dems struggle amongst each other for primacy, the prime primate of the Dems can humbly accept the nomination. He can probably out debate most anyone who comes up against him: he's reasonably fast on his feet, and has a decent eye for detail. He could also run as Hillary's Vice President. (Not likely, for political reasons, and spreading the appeal out.)

Think about it. :cool:

Bill Clinton could rise again. Grover Cleveland is the precedent.

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Mephisto said:
. . . lecherous old farts like me, yeah . . . we DO look at the President's wife, but only to see if she's got a cute butt or nice legs,
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So, the Clinton years were a rough time for you, eh? Not since Jackie Kennedy was there such a frist lady.

DR
 
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Darth Rotor said:
Bill Clinton can run for President again in 2008.
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No. The 22nd Amendment: "No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once."
 
Darth Rotor said:
Bill Clinton can run for President again in 2008 ... Bill Clinton could rise again. Grover Cleveland is the precedent.
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Sorry, William Jefferson Clinton is done. The Twenty-Second Amendment:

No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.

Now technically this only applies to elections to office. I guess that Bill could serve as Vice President and could take over as President upon the death, disability or resignation of the President. Then he would not have been "elected" to the office.

Even so, it's never going to happen.
 
Darth Rotor said:
Bill Clinton can run for President again in 2008. He has been rather active in Democrat party politics, and working the speaking tour. As the Dems struggle amongst each other for primacy, the prime primate of the Dems can humbly accept the nomination. He can probably out debate most anyone who comes up against him: he's reasonably fast on his feet, and has a decent eye for detail. He could also run as Hillary's Vice President. (Not likely, for political reasons, and spreading the appeal out.)

Think about it. :cool:

Bill Clinton could rise again. Grover Cleveland is the precedent.

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So, the Clinton years were a rough time for you, eh? Not since Jackie Kennedy was there such a frist lady.

DR
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Wow!

I thought that you were a lawyer DR?

If so, then you should be aware that the US Constitution says flat out that the same person can only be elected for two terms as President, and Clinton has already had his two terms.
 
Bill Thompson said:
Historically we look at a candidate spouse when choosing the person to occupy our hightest office. If we do not do so in this case it is a double standard.
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We do?! I do remember the Republican spin machine starting a whispering campaign about Hillary in the 1992 election: "she a lesbian - it's a marriage of convenience." However I don't recall our looking at any other candidate's spouses. I really don't recall the Liberal Main-Stream Media (LMSM) mentioning that Mrs. Bush accidentally killed a classmate under "mysterious" circumstances1. Is that the sort of thing we look at when considering presidental spouses?

If you want to tie Bill's shenanigans to Hillary's being unfit for office, then choose a approach less laughable than "Historically we look at spouses." Perhaps, "she showed bad judgement by staying with Bill, therefore she will show bad judgement in running the country."

Oh, one more thing, stay away from "Hillary was an accessory in the Vince Foster murder." That, too, falls into the laughable category.


1 - http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/laura.asp
 
Crossbow said:
Wow!

I thought that you were a lawyer DR?

If so, then you should be aware that the US Constitution says flat out that the same person can only be elected for two terms as President, and Clinton has already had his two terms.
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Hmm, it seems I have a bad idea in my head. I had understood that amendment to mean that no person may serve more than two consecutive terms, but upon re reading that, I seem to have needed a wake up call, and I thank you all for that correction to my body of understanding.

Doh!

Unlearn something (wrong) new each day. :)

By the way, Crossbow, the next time you call me a lawyer, I'll be expecting you at dawn, with a second and duelling pistols. I do not take such insults kindly. :p

*ducks the bushels of rotten produce flung by the lawyers on the board*

DR
 
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In fact he was the first elected president ever to be impeached. (Andrew Johnson not having been elected.)
 
American said:
In fact he was the first elected president ever to be impeached. (Andrew Johnson not having been elected.)
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The fact that so few impeachments have occurred means that each one will entail some kind of first. :)
 
Ladewig said:
I really don't recall the Liberal Main-Stream Media (LMSM) mentioning that Mrs. Bush accidentally killed a classmate under "mysterious" circumstances1. Is that the sort of thing we look at when considering presidental spouses?
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Here in Missouri during this last election, a great deal was made about some tax returns filed or not filed by Democrat Claire McCaskill's husband from a time before the two were married. The argument was something to the effect of "how can you trust Claire McCaskill with your taxes when she doesn't even pay her own."

Hardly a word was said about Jim Talent's, her opponent, wife being a tax attorney who undoubtedly advises her clients to use the same tax shelter's the McCaskills used.

That crazy LMSM.
 
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