Bikers Plan Anti-Muslim Rally

[dudalb]

Let's just hope this "peaceful protest" (against what exactly?) doesn't degenerate into a bloody shootout with the cops which seems to happen when these thugs get together lately.

So all cops are thugs?

Fine. But you should put your money where your mouth is. Next time your house is robbed, or you are mugged, don't call the cops, call another poltical activist.

And the Anti Muslim bikers are idiots.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

So all cops are thugs?

He said " doesn't degenerate into a bloody shootout with the cops". The thugs and the cops would be having a bloody shootout.

 

[johnny karate]

So all cops are thugs?

Fine. But you should put your money where your mouth is. Next time your house is robbed, or you are mugged, don't call the cops, call another poltical activist.

And the Anti Muslim bikers are idiots.

No, bikers are thugs based on the gunfights that seem to break out lately when more than three of them get together.

But of course not all bikers are violent, and it's unfair to paint them all with the same brush.This was meant to be a subtle jab at those who paint all Muslims with the same brush. Like these bikers, for instance.

Perhaps my point was too subtle for some. And way too subtle for others.

Now take a deep breath and go lie down for a while.

 

[The Greater Fool]

I am four-square behind free speech and the constitution.

This is one of those situations when I'd just prefer that these folks weren't on my side of the argument. Please, don't help. Thanks.

 

[Cleon]

No, bikers are thugs based on the gunfights that seem to break out lately when more than three of them get together.

But of course not all bikers are violent, and it's unfair to paint them all with the same brush.This was meant to be a subtle jab at those who paint all Muslims with the same brush. Like these bikers, for instance.

It's an excellent point.

There's a reason "those" bikers are often derided as "1%ers," and it's got nothing to do with wealth.

 

[Myron Proudfoot]

Can we have an airline drop feces on this picnic?

Icy BMs??

 

[Travis]

To summarize: a bunch of hotheads are going to convene someplace another group hangs out, they plan to call that group a bunch of names while holding guns daring them to retaliate.

Yep, definitely what the Founders had in mind when they crafted the 1st and 2nd Amendments.

 

[Biscuit]

I am four-square behind free speech and the constitution.

This is one of those situations when I'd just prefer that these folks weren't on my side of the argument. Please, don't help. Thanks.

You agree with the organizer and his "F*** Islam" mentality? That the goal of all muslims is to enact sharia law in the U.S.?

 

[Arisia]

Can we have an airline drop feces on this picnic?

Icy BMs??

We have a winnah!!

 

[TragicMonkey]

To summarize: a bunch of hotheads are going to convene someplace another group hangs out, they plan to call that group a bunch of names while holding guns daring them to retaliate.

Yep, definitely what the Founders had in mind when they crafted the 1st and 2nd Amendments.

Had I been a Founding Father (or more likely a Founding Uncle), there'd be an amendment that read "Look, okay, just don't be a jerk about stuff. If everybody tries to be nice it'll be better for all of us."

 

[The Greater Fool]

Am I missing a joke here?

Sarcasm? As I've stated repeatedly, I am not all that good at recognizing sarcasm in the written word as expressed on internet forums, so perhaps there is sarcasm at work here?

You agree with the organizer and his "F*** Islam" mentality?

No.

That the goal of all muslims is to enact sharia law in the U.S.?

No.

Honestly, I don't see any rational path from what I posted to these questions.

Since the biker and I agree that free speech is good, and the constitution is good, what would one suppose was my motivation for:

This is one of those situations when I'd just prefer that these folks weren't on my side of the argument. Please, don't help. Thanks.

To state the obvious obviously: Because other than the 2 points of agreement, virtually every other aspect of this bikers beliefs seem to be the antithesis of my beliefs. It would be better for Free Speech and the Constitution if he could just STFU. Free Speech and the Constitution could do without his help.

 

[bobdroege7]

She looks lovable.

I have a hatchet just like hers, maybe even older.

I have no problem with people drawing pictures of Mohammed, and if armed and dangerous radicals show up with intent to kill the cartoonists, let there be mayhem.

 

[Myriad]

To summarize: a bunch of hotheads are going to convene someplace another group hangs out, they plan to call that group a bunch of names while holding guns daring them to retaliate.

Yep, definitely what the Founders had in mind when they crafted the 1st and 2nd Amendments.

Are you referring to the Founders who participated in such events as the Boston Massacre, the Battle of Lexington, and years of frequent riots in New York, Boston, and Philadelphia?

That doesn't mean they'd approve of this specific event (who knows what they'd even think of a mosque in Arizona, a place they'd have had no clue existed?), but they definitely would not be shocked at the notion of confrontational armed crowds. Fairly routine 18th century stuff throughout the western hemisphere.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Are you referring to the Founders who participated in such events as the Boston Massacre, the Battle of Lexington, and years of frequent riots in New York, Boston, and Philadelphia?

That doesn't mean they'd approve of this specific event (who knows what they'd even think of a mosque in Arizona, a place they'd have had no clue existed?), but they definitely would not be shocked at the notion of confrontational armed crowds. Fairly routine 18th century stuff throughout the western hemisphere.

Weather Report: There will be storms nears the Bastille today.

 

[William Parcher]

Those bikers think that the Muslims are wearing towels on their heads but those are really hats.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Those bikers think that the Muslims are wearing towels on their heads but those are really hats.

O'Rly?

 

[Travis]

Are you referring to the Founders who participated in such events as the Boston Massacre, the Battle of Lexington, and years of frequent riots in New York, Boston, and Philadelphia?

That doesn't mean they'd approve of this specific event (who knows what they'd even think of a mosque in Arizona, a place they'd have had no clue existed?), but they definitely would not be shocked at the notion of confrontational armed crowds. Fairly routine 18th century stuff throughout the western hemisphere.

There's picking fights because of real political grievances and then there is trying to bait someone into a bloodbath because you think they are in the wrong religion. I'm thinking doing the latter was not what was intended.

 

[Noztradamus]

He said " doesn't degenerate into a bloody shootout with the cops". The thugs and the cops would be having a bloody shootout.

Who can tell the difference these days?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H4I5ofrfnI

 

[Myriad]

There's picking fights because of real political grievances and then there is trying to bait someone into a bloodbath because you think they are in the wrong religion. I'm thinking doing the latter was not what was intended.

It's an interesting thought, but doesn't seem to have much basis. The "bait" in this case is the opportunity to threaten the life of someone for drawing a picture and a member of that very church has already done exactly that within the past couple of weeks. My sympathy for anyone thuswise "baited" is about equivalent to my sympathy for rapists who claim to have been "baited" by their victims' provocative clothing. (I doubt that any instrument known or conceivable to science would be able to detect either one.)

My more important point, though, is that arguing based on romantic notions of what the nation's founders intended is just a ridiculous notion from the get-go. For one thing, why should anyone care what they intended beyond mere historical curiosity? (I can guarantee that in another 240 years from now, no one will care how you or I intend our distant descendants then to live their lives either.)

And even if we did, the oft-made suggestion that they only intended Americans to use the first and second amendment freedoms for the most high-minded civil purposes disregards the fact that they used those same freedoms to terrorize customs officials, raise mobs to burn loyalists out of their homes, print personalized screeds against their opponents that make YouTube comments look like business as usual, engage in the lucrative slave trade, and of course, violently overthrow the government. So they were either huge hypocrites, or their intentions for how the freedoms they fought for were to be used did not include as much restraint as you surmise.

Of course they're great historical figures. I spend a significant fraction of my free time reading about them and their accomplishments. But all the more reason not to sanitize them. Or history. There's one really good reason not to sanitize history: because it isn't over.

 

[Ladewig]

There's picking fights because of real political grievances and then there is trying to bait someone into a bloodbath because you think they are in the wrong religion. I'm thinking doing the latter was not what was intended.

From a philosophical perspective, I disagree. The opposite of free-speech for everyone (no matter how pinheaded or idiotic) is the government deciding which speech is permitted and which is not permitted. As much as I cringe at the idea of these yahoos trying to bait someone into violence, I would be more opposed to the government telling people that they are not allowed to say the most vile and offensive things to other people.

The First Amendment can lead to some ugly, ugly speech; but I still want it to cover the ugly, ugly speech.

I sure as hell don't want to hear Nazis or Klansmen give speeches, but I am even more against the government saying that Nazis in their uniforms and Klansmen in their dresses and dunce caps are forbidden from giving speeches.