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Biggest Scientific Errors in the Quran

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I realize this has probably been discussed before, and it makes almost no sense to include the words "scientific" and "Quran" in the same sentence, but I am currently involved in what can loosely be described as a "debate" with some Muslims. They claim the Quran is "scientific" and has a lot of advanced science in it, and if only I would read this book by Dr. Maurice Bucaille, I will supposedly become convinced of the Quran's accuracy and divine inspiration. And I will no longer be an atheist!

I'm not used to discussing such matters with Muslims. I have a lot more experience though dealing with Christians and I originally was a Christian so I am very familiar with the Bible and it's contradictions and errors. So I am curious to know, just to expose the folly of their ways(I know they will not change their ways though), what are the biggest scientific errors in the Quran? Unfortunately many websites that list the errors of the Quran are Christian websites, so their credibility is questionable. Does the Quran really say that mountains help stabilize the earth? Does it get human embryology wrong as well? Based on my readings so far, this "Quranic science" nonsense is in the same league as Nostradamus "predictions": take vague, ambiguous statements and twist them around to mean whatever you want them to mean.

I really don't know why I bother discussing such matters with these appallingly ignorant, brainwashed people. I believe they've never heard of "confirmation bias" or just plain "bias". I guess I'm a glutton for punishment. It is sickening how anyone can repeat such lies and misinformation with such self-assurance, and then imply I'm the stupid one for not agreeing with them.

I used to just play a "trick" on these Muslims, just to see how gullible and dishonest to the point of retardation they are, and then walk away from the "discussion"(this is due in part to my ignorance of the Quran). It's just not worth it to talk with someone who falls for such a trick, which is basically my "conceding" they are right about the Quran. I then start mentioning these sciency-sounding made up nonsense words and how I was impressed this "advanced science" was in the Quran, and how Einstein and other great European and American scientists used this amazing information from the Quran to make their discoveries.

I still can't get over the 100% success rate of this trick. They never say "I'm not sure what you are talking about" or "let me look that up and I will get back to you", it's always "Wow! I'm so impressed you know this! You finally understand!" or "This is why I am Muslim and so proud to be Muslim!!".

When someone has to lie like this, they demonstrate they have no interest in debating or learning anything new.
 
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Yeah, I just jumped to a section at random (Birds, Bees and Spiders) and it was atrocious. It talked about spiderwebs being weak! It's one of the strongest natural fibers currently known to exist! And the author didn't even clue on the fact that the bee quote talked about honey being a balm or medicine. This is true but it was already known by most ancient cultures in that area thousands of years before the Quran.

I'm not going to bother even reading the other bits but I would guess it's all random misinterpretations or knowledge that had already been discovered by other cultures before the writing of the Quran.
 
What difference does it make if a holy book has scientific errors? Isn't that like expecting a science book to be religiously accurate?
 
I'm sure they'll throw the atom thing at you.

As in "the Quran mentions the theory of the atom".
The actual quote is indeed Nostradamus-style vagueness.

In this case, point out that the theory of the atom pre-dates the Quran by about 800 years, was worded quite exact, was quite accurate and was actually called the theory of the atom.

Oh and it came from Democritus, a Greek atheist.
 
Search YouTube for PZ Myers and there is a very good video of him having a debate with some Muslims about the very same things.

It's about 14 minutes long if I remember correctly. I would put a link up, but I'm on my phone and can't do it on this.
 
I seem to recall the holy book of Islam also mentions how embryo's form, as in bones first, then muscles and skin etc, which we know is rubbish, as they all form simultaneously.

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Zelenius said:
When someone has to lie like this, they demonstrate they have no interest in debating or learning anything new.
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Just go straight for the jugular with the "Mohommed" was a paedophile gambit

thats usually where these conversations end anyway
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Eternal said:
Search YouTube for PZ Myers and there is a very good video of him having a debate with some Muslims about the very same things.

It's about 14 minutes long if I remember correctly. I would put a link up, but I'm on my phone and can't do it on this.
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Here's the link to the first half of a clip featuring PZ and Aron Ra debating some Muslims.
The sidebar includes other debates on the same subject.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5rNtEdptaY
 


This is the video that PZ linked to, discussing the embryology in the Koran.
 
Thanks for the replies, especially the PZ Myers videos. These "discussions" I'm having with Muslims are hardly "intellectual" discussions, they are for entertainment reasons only. Or better yet, "waste of time" reasons. At first I thought these discussions were going to be humorous, but it's turning into horror, I feel a sense of horror over how extremely ignorant and gullible some people can be. The hate level is also horrific; it seems all this arrogant ignorance about the Quran and science boils down to one thing: destroying Israel and the Jews, as the Quran "predicts".

It is no longer a mystery to me why the Muslim world is so backward.
 
I think you need to realize how many people in how many countries you just called "backward". And that you don't understand that what you call the "Muslim world" is not what many Muslims think it is.
 
Extremists are extremists, no mater what their dogma is. Even atheists have blind, angry extremists who make me want to cringe (and I AM an atheist)!

There are many kind, gentle, polite Muslims out there who take seriously the pillars of Islam including charity and humility. Many donate great amounts of food, money and time to helping others because of their faith.

While I may not share their belief in a deity it is wrong to lump them all together with the mad dogs. Evil people always find something to validate their actions, the ambiguity of religion simply makes an easier excuse than most.
 
nother example of Muslim "science" can be seen if you google "the moon split in two." this will lead you to a number of Muslim websites that assert that photos of the moon's surface, showing the Ariadaeus Rille, reveals a crack that girdles the moon. This, say the websites, proves that, as Islamic legend has it, the Prophet did indeed split the moon in two at his word, then re-fused it, as a demonstration that he was a true prophet.

There are two problems here: First, the Ariadaeus Rille does not girdle the moon. The rille is about 300 kilometers - or about 186 miles - long. By comparison, the Grand Canyon is 277 miles - or a bit over 400 kilometers - long. The lunar circumference is 10916 kilometers or 6783 miles.

Second, the reference in the Qur'an to the moon being split in two, found in the first verse of Surah Al Qamar (Surah 54, "the Moon") is rendered, depending on what translation one reads, either in the past or present tense. In the present tense Q 54:1 reads: "The Hour draws near. The moon is split in two." This is generally seen as an apocalyptic prophecy.

As Weak Kitten has noted, there are many decent Muslims in the world. There are also many who do not insist the Qur'an be treated as a science text. It is those who demand certainty who insist that science must conform to their holy book. This same split can be seen among Christians regarding creationism.

Another problem is that, in many Muslim states, Islam is today where Christianity was in the 1600s, in a state of turmoils marked by intolerance and Muslim on Muslim violence, just as Christianity in the 1600 was marked by Christian on Christian violence.
 
Monketey Ghost said:
I think you need to realize how many people in how many countries you just called "backward".
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uhuh

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seems to be some sort of factual correlation though

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I don't think he was really talking about Ummah, do you ?
The Immans are missing a huge oppotunity in Greenland and S.America aren't they.
;)
 
Zelenius said:
It is no longer a mystery to me why the Muslim world is so backward.
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Yeah, it is a good then that Western Christians are not so gullible about the scientific accuracy of their scriptures.

Oh, wait a minute...
 
Does saying that God made the Universe count as a scientific error? If so, it would be a pretty big one...
 
Robin said:
Yeah, it is a good then that Western Christians are not so gullible about the scientific accuracy of their scriptures.

Oh, wait a minute...
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This thread is about "science" in the Quran, but I have no problem as an American calling my own country(especially the Bible Belt) "backward" considering the percentage of the population that believe in creationism.
 
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