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Bigfoot: The Patterson Gimlin Film - Part 3
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Bear tracks that is
Here we go. Somebody had put the wrong Alderfoot in there. Doh!
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Still, none of them match
William Parcher
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Some have said that the Bigfoot shoulders are so high and the muscular neck is so short that the creature has trouble looking at things some degrees away from front/center. Whereas we can look over our shoulder at something "behind" us - the Bigfoot may have to swing the torso or turn the whole body to get the same view.
This old .gif of Patty shows a relatively flexible neck. She does swing the shoulder going into the famous 'look back', but the shoulder doesn't seem to impede the head turn by much. Then she rapidly snaps the head back to looking forwards. This clip is slowed, but it's a fast movement as the eyes return to looking ahead.
The butt and thigh are all fakey-looking here too.
This old .gif of Patty shows a relatively flexible neck. She does swing the shoulder going into the famous 'look back', but the shoulder doesn't seem to impede the head turn by much. Then she rapidly snaps the head back to looking forwards. This clip is slowed, but it's a fast movement as the eyes return to looking ahead.
The butt and thigh are all fakey-looking here too.
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Granted , I'm new at this, and it may just be me, but just as she starts to turn, just before her head gets all the way around, there is a sheeny glimmer on her right shoulder that might be expected of synthetic fur in the 1960's.
Did they use real animal fur on the alleged suit, or synthetic? If real, a sheen on the shoulder indicates clean fur-not really something you would find on an animal living in the wild all her life.
The butt and thigh look fakey, or Patty had dire need of liposuction.
Granted , I'm new at this, and it may just be me, but just as she starts to turn, just before her head gets all the way around, there is a sheeny glimmer on her right shoulder that might be expected of synthetic fur in the 1960's.
Did they use real animal fur on the alleged suit, or synthetic? If real, a sheen on the shoulder indicates clean fur-not really something you would find on an animal living in the wild all her life.
The butt and thigh look fakey, or Patty had dire need of liposuction.
Well, Gorillas fur isnt exactly dirty. Primates usually clean themselves by licking the fur of another member of the species.
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No offense, but I think I'll wait for Parcher to answer, thanks. His statements are based on proven fact. Your knowledge of wildlife includes seals living in lakes.
I thought you now didn't believe in Bigfoot? You keep making arguments that support the existence of BF.
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William Parcher
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Most people agree that there is a detectable sheen/shine from a few areas. I don't think that that can be effectively used to rule out either a real or fake creature.
Nobody can say for certain what material(s) were used. It could be synthetic fur, real fur, or a combination of both. It seems that the best candidate for synthetic fur would be Dynel, and it was available in black. I think it may have been manufactured with longer strands than we see on Patty - but the fur could be cut or trimmed as desired. As natural fur, some have suggested bear or winter horse. To me, the fur color looks like black.
You could review the various claims of people including Bob Heironimus. BH doesn't actually claim to know what the suit was made from, or who did the work. He said that Patterson fitted him into it before going to Bluff Creek. This would have allowed him to make adjustments to various parts if needed. He also said that Patterson 'roughed-up' and 'dirtied' the suit to make it look more authentic.
Morris says that Patterson bought a gorilla suit from him months before the PGF, and that he must have customized it to look like a Bigfoot. His gorilla suits were black Dynel, and all had very long shaggy fur.
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Bingo! My mom was a hairdresser in the 60's, kept a large amount of Dynel wigs for clients and as a sideline-we kids always had to 'prep' them for display and use. I thought Dynel when I saw that sheen. It was distinctive-wigs with other synthetics had sheen, but not the same-Dynel's was very consistent and had a polished look. Especially the black, which I agree Patty's would be and the red. That changed after the mid 80's-still wigs with Dynel, but the sheen was less hard, not quite as shiny-looked more like real hair Hard to explain, but if you know wigs, Dynel from the 50's-70's stands out. And actresses loved them, because that consistency looked better on film, so I can see why a suit maker would use it.
Thanks, I'll look those up. I'm betting on Dynel, although I know it can't be proved. Just an instinctive recognition, I guess.
Thanks!
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Grooming other members of one's social group for parasites or other debris, with teeth and fingers, is a common primate pastime and social behavior. "Licking the fur of another member of the species" decidedly is not.
Do you ever actually research your chosen topics before commenting on them? Or do you just type the first thing that comes into your head?
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As well, a saliva bath would dull the hair, not make it shiny. Ever licked a window, mak? Saliva leaves a film.
I'll give you a hint:
"There is no Indian tribe named Yakima"
ETA: Wow, mak, I'm sorry. I honestly didn't know that there were seals who lived in freshwater. I've only ever encountered salt water seals. I'll practice what I preach and check my own facts next time. Sincere apologies.
mak, you know, I gave you ample opportunity this afternoon to come clean, be honest, and turn it around. You responded with yet another 'fact' that you didn't even bother to look up-it took me all of two seconds to find the link to the Yakama Nation. You responded to that mistake with yet another nonsensical, out of context answer. Quite frankly, it's got old a while back.
If you came here to learn, then learn. Read, absorb, ask considered questions. But, high school is over. This isn't a teenage message board. We're not here to wade through these consistent incorrect assumptions that you pull out of thin air and present as fact, and we're not here to correct you on information that you are too lazy to research for yourself.
If you choose to continue to remain factually uninformed, and ignorant of the principles of critical thinking and how to apply them, that is your choice. Please stop inflicting it on the rest of us.
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PS: land locked seals do exist
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Oh, for the love of...
Yes, and if you had bothered to read my post thoroughly, especially the part that I put in BRIGHT. FREAKING. RED. so you would be sure to see it, you would have read that I acknowledged that and apologized.
If you aren't going to bother to read other posts, then don't respond to them. We're getting tired of repeating ourselves or watching you answer out of context or misquote what we say because you don't read thoroughly. We don't do it to you, have the courtesy not to do it to us.
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Aepervius
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Well felidae do lick each other. Maybe he is saying BF is a cat.
Bigfoot could be whatever you want it to be, because it is not a real species.
I almost posted this in the Munns thread, but I thought it would be much more appropriate in this thread.
Here at 8:12 or so Jeff Meldrum speaks about overexposure.
I was trying to find examples that are on par, or close (bad quality to begin with, then losing resolution copy after copy) to the examples we usually see in the PGF. (what most of us can get our hands on)
I have heard the original may have quite good resolution, can't remember where I seen this right now. I also heard that it may have been badly scratched and damaged.
I found a few examples of white looking feet, due to overexposure? IMO.
The one on the left in the first picture, being a better example.
I thought I should put up this http://www.bigfootencounters.com/biology/fahrenbach.htm that has been circulated around here many times in the past. I agree with "what-you-see-is-what-you-get"
To add: In regards to the PGF. I lean more towards the white foot being caused by exposure. Either way it doesn't (IMO) award a (+1 ) in support, or penalize (-1 ) against "the man in a suit or a big fur ball" arguments. It's just my observation. I guess the details in the film alone cannot conclusively say one way or the other.
A man in a suit, add some distance, and unstabilized filmage... or it was Roger's lucky day. I guess it was his lucky day either way.
Here at 8:12 or so Jeff Meldrum speaks about overexposure.
I was trying to find examples that are on par, or close (bad quality to begin with, then losing resolution copy after copy) to the examples we usually see in the PGF. (what most of us can get our hands on)
I found a few examples of white looking feet, due to overexposure? IMO.
The one on the left in the first picture, being a better example.
I thought I should put up this http://www.bigfootencounters.com/biology/fahrenbach.htm that has been circulated around here many times in the past. I agree with "what-you-see-is-what-you-get"
To add: In regards to the PGF. I lean more towards the white foot being caused by exposure. Either way it doesn't (IMO) award a (+1 ) in support, or penalize (-1 ) against "the man in a suit or a big fur ball" arguments. It's just my observation. I guess the details in the film alone cannot conclusively say one way or the other.
A man in a suit, add some distance, and unstabilized filmage... or it was Roger's lucky day. I guess it was his lucky day either way.
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MK Davis recently visited Bluff Creek. He left some "peace offerings" for Bigfoot. He tacked two photos to a tree and hung a blanket. He hopes that Bigfoot will see these and understand that he means no harm.
You can see the offerings, more photos, and hear the radio show about this at Bigfoot Central - Artist First
You can see the offerings, more photos, and hear the radio show about this at Bigfoot Central - Artist First
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