Bigfoot on video? Memorial Day 1996

[AtomicMysteryMonster]

What was the decision on the Hoffman Footage?

Fake. After all, it was being used to promote a movie about a "scientific investigation" of Santa Claus.

Also, I love how the first line in Sweaty's .gif clearly goes through the background object that "merges" with the head in the third frame.

 

[zooman63]

I actually meant Freeman footage..I had a girlfriend in High School with big feet named Beth Hoffman..coinsidence??

 

[AtomicMysteryMonster]

I actually meant Freeman footage...

That's a fake as well. Even if you ignore that the Freeman Bigfoot looks similar to the costumes shown here and here (00:37) in the "normal view" and has some similarities to the costumes shown here, here (00:26), and here (02:34) when seen in an enlarged view of the film, there's still the fact that Freeman is an admitted hoaxer. The BFF folder on the film is full of problems with the film and Freeman's reputation. I especially like how a poster there, quoting either Grover Krantz or Jeff Meldrum, tried to gloss over how Freeman faked tracks in his old neighborhood and was apparently involved in a hoax involving a costume (Post #63).

I love claims that Freeman didn't have enough money to afford such costumes. This 1989 newspaper article notes that Freeman made around $2,000 off of his interest in Bigfoot (mostly due to a commercial he was in). The Freeman footage was filmed in the early 90's. I think you can figure out where I'm going with this...

 

[cyclonic]

This enlarged looping clip looks like a running person to me. They seem to be removing some sort of upper apparel (jacket, sweater, etc.) as they run. It's not a pullover thing, but instead opens at the front. The runner starts removing it by dropping it down off the shoulders, then to the elbows and forearms (sleeves would come off last). I don't think the garment is fully removed in the loop

yes it looks EXACTLY like a man running to me,, and removing clothes too.
he should have talked to this guy and got some pointers of him, i think this is the snow walker hoax of an himilayen yeti ? looks better then patty or mdf.

 

[SweatyYeti]

Fake. After all, it was being used to promote a movie about a "scientific investigation" of Santa Claus.

Also, I love how the first line in Sweaty's .gif clearly goes through the background object that "merges" with the head in the third frame.

That dark spot in the background doesn't have any significance to it at all, AMM.

The subject's head is clearly much different looking after the lift, than it was before the lift.

In this animated-gif, the object can be seen...clearly....bending forward...

In addition to that, the top of the subject cannot be the subject's head, because it extends too far above the subject's shoulders.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

You need to show us how you determined where the shoulders are.

 

[SweatyYeti]

You need to show us how you determined where the shoulders are.

When your arm is extended straight out, horizontally...like the subject's arm is in the animated-gif...your shoulder is right in line with your arm.

Is that right......or am I mistaken?


Since we see the subject's arm raised to a horizontal position, we know exactly where it's shoulder is.........don't we?


Later today I'll post a couple of comparison stills of the subject, before and after the lift, to show the difference more clearly.

 

[mikeyx]

When your arm is extended straight out, horizontally...like the subject's arm is in the animated-gif...your shoulder is right in line with your arm.

Is that right......or am I mistaken?


Since we see the subject's arm raised to a horizontal position, we know exactly where it's shoulder is.........don't we?


Later today I'll post a couple of comparison stills of the subject, before and after the lift, to show the difference more clearly.

Are you guys happy now, now you've got him posting his pixelated blobs? Oh the pain.....

 

[Skeptical Greg]

When your arm is extended straight out, horizontally...like the subject's arm is in the animated-gif...your shoulder is right in line with your arm.

Is that right......or am I mistaken?

You are mistaken ..

It has been shown, that what you are claiming to be the arm, extended straight out, is actually the hood ( or whatever ) that the subject just removed from their head ..

Still waiting on some wisdom from you, so I can add it to my sig...

 

[Drewbot]

How many inches above his head is that baby sitting?

 

[SweatyYeti]

You are mistaken ..

It has been shown, that what you are claiming to be the arm, extended straight out, is actually the hood ( or whatever ) that the subject just removed from their head ..

Nice try, Greg...but you're wrong. I'll explain why, in detail, later.


For now....here is a still which shows, very nicely, that the thing we see swinging is, in fact, the subject's arm......without a mask, or a hood, or anything of substantial size being held onto....

 

[Astrophotographer]

Nice try, Greg...but you're wrong. I'll explain why, in detail, later.

I am not going to hold my breath. Promises....Promises...Tick...Tock...The world wonders.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Nice try, Greg...but you're wrong. I'll explain why, in detail, later.

For now....here is a still which shows, very nicely, that the thing we see swinging is, in fact, the subject's arm.....

What happened to the extended height ?


Your fact is still a line of dark pixels ..

Your explanations are pointless without evidence ...


I think it's a toilet brush ..

Prove that it's not ...



P.S.

Where is the long flowing hair that Tom Lines said he saw ?

 

[Astrophotographer]

For now....here is a still which shows, very nicely, that the thing we see swinging is, in fact, the subject's arm......without a mask, or a hood, or anything of substantial size being held onto....

Last time I checked, I had TWO arms. Are you suggesting that this blob only has one?

 

[SweatyYeti]

Diogenes wrote:

Your fact is still a line of dark pixels ..

Your explanations are pointless without evidence ...


I think it's a toilet brush ..

Prove that it's not ...

Wow....another brilliant bit of counter-analysis from Greg.

Here is the response that it truly deserves....

If you have something intelligent to say, Greg, I'll be happy to reply to it in a more intellectual way.

If you honestly can't tell that the 'thing' that's seen swinging in the video, as the subject walks off into the woods, is it's arm...

....then you're hopelessly lost in dum-dum land, Greg....and there's nothing I can say to you to help you understand what's going on in the video.

Here's another animated-gif of the lift, with a few more frames added in...

Backing-up a bit....yesterday I had written...

When your arm is extended straight out, horizontally...like the subject's arm is in the animated-gif...your shoulder is right in line with your arm.

Is that right......or am I mistaken?


Since we see the subject's arm raised to a horizontal position, we know exactly where it's shoulder is.........don't we?

Greg's response was completely irrelevant to the question I had asked....(naturally ...it's what Greg does.).

Here is a clearer example of what I was refering to....

The subject's arm, in a horizontal position...tells us exactly where the top of the subject's shoulder is, height-wise (vertically).

Sionce we can see the MD subject's arm swing up to a horizontal position, we know right where the top of it's shoulder is, in that side-view of the subject/lifted object.

 

[mikeyx]

Nice try, Greg...but you're wrong. I'll explain why, in detail, later.

Thats the same line you've used on EVERY other BF forum prior to banning. Pixelated crap is not proof. You have no proof.

For now....here is a still which shows, very nicely, that the thing we see swinging is, in fact, the subject's arm......without a mask, or a hood, or anything of substantial size being held onto....


[qimg]http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w28/SweatyYeti/NoMaskhere3.jpg[/qimg]


[qimg]http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w28/SweatyYeti/NoMaskhere1.jpg[/qimg]

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Show some proof or shut up already.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Here are the first and last frames of your .gif Sweety ..

The line is drawn through a reference object in the background ..

Where is the height increase Sweety ?

I'm sure the MABRC can't get enough of this stuff..

Why don't you start a new thread over there, and call it your latest and greatest analysation ..

 

[Astrophotographer]

If you honestly can't tell that the 'thing' that's seen swinging in the video, as the subject walks off into the woods, is it's arm...

But where is the other arm? Amateur magicians would love you since you seem so focused on one arm and not even interested in the other one. Slight of hand would be no problem.

 

[SweatyYeti]

But where is the other arm? Amateur magicians would love you since you seem so focused on one arm and not even interested in the other one. Slight of hand would be no problem.

I've mentioned this before, but I think that it's probably holding onto the infant, keeping it steady on it's shoulders.
Kinda like what this guy is doing....

Here's the image shrunken, and then blown-up, with much lower resolution....

It seems very odd to me that only one of the subject's arm can be seen swinging, for the whole time that it's in view, after the lift.

And, again, if it's simply at the subject's side the whole time....then how did the "mask" lift up, after the other hand had let go of it???

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Why isn't the subject with the infant on it's shoulders, not any taller than it was before the lift ?