Bigfoot on Indian Reservation

[Resume]

I think we need to be careful when comparing different species of animals. While the Amur Tiger is a good case of an elusive animal that gets hunted on a regular basis, it's not what bigfooters say they're seeing.

This is an easy out, a cop out in fact. All kinds of elusive, intelligent animals meet their demise accidently and intentionally at the hands of human beings. Human beings, intelligent, adapted and in tune with their natural environment met their fate at the hands of other human beings. How do you imagine such things as Indian Reservations came about. Were the Dene and the Ojibwa and the Huron less intelligent, less environmentally adapted than the monkeys some claim inhabited the same forests?

Enough bigfooters claimed to have seen something of great intelligence that one could expect that the monkey would have great intelligence.

A lot of Bigfooters claim to see a monkey with a sagital crest and big saggies. So what? They claim to see them in their back yards, dumpster diving, swimming at sea, but as of yet, no monkey, not a one. Anywhere. Though it's alleged to be literally everywhere in the continental U.S.

This is partly the reason why many scientists like Dr. Sykes are still open to the idea of Bigfoot even though they don't believe in it. Because as crazy as it is, there's always the possibility that's it's real somewhere even if it doesn't exist in many of the places that bigfooters claim they do.

What you need to be careful about are the assumptions you're making as to what Sykes thinks. He just might disappoint you folks more than Ketchum (DVM).

 

[AlaskaBushPilot]

I think we need to be careful when comparing different species of animals. While the Amur Tiger is a good case of an elusive animal that gets hunted on a regular basis, it's not what bigfooters say they're seeing. Enough bigfooters claimed to have seen something of great intelligence that one could expect that the monkey would have great intelligence. This is partly the reason why many scientists like Dr. Sykes are still open to the idea of Bigfoot even though they don't believe in it. Because as crazy as it is, there's always the possibility that's it's real somewhere even if it doesn't exist in many of the places that bigfooters claim they do.

Smarter than a tiger isn't going to explain ten thousand years of history without a single example of one captured and killed, especially with that same history repleat with examples of humans being captured and killed by other humans.

You need the supernatural here.

 

[STRONG LIKE BEAR]

Because as crazy as it is, there's always the possibility that's it's real somewhere even if it doesn't exist in many of the places that bigfooters claim they do.

So what other cryptoids do you believe exist? Surely the lake monsters and dinosaurs that are claimed to be seen all around the world are much more plausible than bigfoot. They can be backed up by real life fossil evidence too! Knocks bigfoot out of the park.

 

[OntarioSquatch]

A captured or killed specimen hundreds of years ago before North American settlement could be just a story today, but I believe it's prime time now for the discovery. Unfortunately, some have high expectations that go along with their interest in the subject to the point where they eventually conclude it can't be real. I think it deserves a better chance than that, but I can't really blame anyone for thinking that way because the evidence for Bigfoot isn't very good (this is where DWA and Mulder usually disagree with me).

 

[OntarioSquatch]

So what other cryptoids do you believe exist? Surely the lake monsters and dinosaurs that are claimed to be seen all around the world are much more plausible than bigfoot. They can be backed up by real life fossil evidence too! Knocks bigfoot out of the park.

I agree with this. I think what people call lake monsters is even more likely to exist than Bigfoot.

 

[STRONG LIKE BEAR]

I agree with this. I think what people call lake monsters is even more likely to exist than Bigfoot.

 

[Resume]

I agree with this. I think what people call lake monsters is even more likely to exist than Bigfoot.

Even more likely? Which one?

 

[STRONG LIKE BEAR]

I agree with this. I think what people call lake monsters is even more likely to exist than Bigfoot.

Are you familiar with the research SweatyYeti has done into the Martian conspiracy? There's pretty good evidence that Martians not only exist, but also have built massive structures and tunnel systems ... potentially all over that planet. This also ties in with the UFO truth as well, because there are also videos from NASA ( = better than an anecdote about a lake monster) which appear to show absolutely massive alien motherships zipping around. Are you familiar with these clips? Do you treat these issues with the same unbiased appraisal of the facts and possibilities? What weight do you give them?

 

[jerrywayne]

Smarter than a tiger isn't going to explain ten thousand years of history without a single example of one captured and killed, especially with that same history repleat with examples of humans being captured and killed by other humans.

You need the supernatural here.

"Ten thousand years of history without a single example...." and then Brian Brown and Kathy Strain strolling in Oklahoma look up in a tree and see a young un playing around like a squirrel. Some lucky folks there in Area X.

 

[AlaskaBushPilot]

"Ten thousand years of history without a single example...." and then Brian Brown and Kathy Strain strolling in Oklahoma look up in a tree and see a young un playing around like a squirrel. Some lucky folks there in Area X.

Isn't it curious though that they're claiming to be armed and actively hunting them, yet nobody can manage to bag one.

I doubt they're purchasing hunting licenses. An out of state general hunting license is $142, but that isn't enough for big game. You can shoot bunnies or squirrels with that. Bear is $500.

I'd be curious if any of them have shot anything, ever.

 

[GT/CS]

Didn't they shoot some trees?

 

[rockinkt]

I agree with this. I think what people call lake monsters is even more likely to exist than Bigfoot.

my bold/

I'll bet there are lots of instances of lake/sea monsters photo-bombing like bigfooters claim squatches do. You know - those innocuous photos that when looked at with a discerning eye can reveal a bigfoot in the background foliage.

To try and prove my theory - I'll Google "bikini beach photos" and study the resulting hits with serious and dedicated attention.

 

[Apology]

It's almost insulting to humanity to claim that the wiley Bigfoot manages to survive and elude all of its hunters when these ten human tribes, and many others, succumbed to the environmental pressure of modern European society and completely died out as a result:

Top 10 Native Tribes Who Have Faced Extinction

As a matter of fact, imho Bigfoot would absolutely require some sort of supernatural powers in order to survive and remain undiscovered in spite of the environmental and social pressures of the modern world.

I imagine that if Bigfoot had really existed in North America prior to European settlement, smallpox and other endemic illnesses would have had a devastating effect on their population, and further loss of habitat would have hastened their demise. Here's a list of some of the diseases that humans and monkeys/apes may share:

• colds
• flu
• tuberculosis
• polio
• measles
• tetanus
• herpes simplex virus type 1

It's flat-out unbelievable to me that entire Native American tribes could be wiped out by diseases like smallpox and measles while the magical giant monkeys continue to survive in the backwoods of North America, entirely undetected. It defies all logic and rationality. It's simply not possible.

 

[manofthesea]

I brought that up years ago with links to a Max Planck Institute study that showed apes and humans shared diseases. It didn't go over well here.

But there hasn't been anything new brought up on this subject in some years also.

 

[William Parcher]

I brought that up years ago with links to a Max Planck Institute study that showed apes and humans shared diseases. It didn't go over well here.

But there hasn't been anything new brought up on this subject in some years also.

ROFL! Didn't go over well here? Maybe because you tried to use it to support your strong belief that Bigfoot exists.

Here you are stumping for Bigfoot...

Welcome to the bandwagon. If you've watched any of 'bigfoot shows' on TV you'd have noticed that DNA analysis is the issue now. "Close to human" ring a bell?

Can you grasp reality? Just being in close proximity to humans could very well allow transmission of some human diseases. Read the link. Read it again. Try to understand what it is saying.

 

[Jodie]

It's almost insulting to humanity to claim that the wiley Bigfoot manages to survive and elude all of its hunters when these ten human tribes, and many others, succumbed to the environmental pressure of modern European society and completely died out as a result:

Top 10 Native Tribes Who Have Faced Extinction

As a matter of fact, imho Bigfoot would absolutely require some sort of supernatural powers in order to survive and remain undiscovered in spite of the environmental and social pressures of the modern world.

I imagine that if Bigfoot had really existed in North America prior to European settlement, smallpox and other endemic illnesses would have had a devastating effect on their population, and further loss of habitat would have hastened their demise. Here's a list of some of the diseases that humans and monkeys/apes may share:

• colds
• flu
• tuberculosis
• polio
• measles
• tetanus
• herpes simplex virus type 1

It's flat-out unbelievable to me that entire Native American tribes could be wiped out by diseases like smallpox and measles while the magical giant monkeys continue to survive in the backwoods of North America, entirely undetected. It defies all logic and rationality. It's simply not possible.

Native Americans are social creatures, supposedly bigfoot isn't. That might be why a few might have survived. Unlikely, but not impossible.

 

[Apology]

Native Americans are social creatures, supposedly bigfoot isn't. That might be why a few might have survived. Unlikely, but not impossible.

I left out cholera. Any humanoid who drinks water is susceptible to cholera. There was a big cholera epidemic in the 1850s, so that would have gotten them.

There's also dysentery, giardia (there are still outbreaks of giardia from drinking tap water, even with modern sewage treatment and water facilities), and gastroenteritis (H1N1 is waterborne). No need for social contact when all Bigfoot would have to do is drink from contaminated streams.

There's also vermin-borne illnesses, such as malaria, yellow fever, hanta virus, and bubonic plague (bubonic plague is still alive and well, it's just treatable by antibiotics, something that Bigfoot would not have access to). Presumably Bigfoot is no better at avoiding mosquitoes and rodents than man is. Bigfoot would probably be more susceptible.

Here's a timeline of epidemics in history, many of which affected the United States. If Bigfoot were to exist in small isolated pockets in remote areas of the US, the way that the legend says, there's just no way that one of these virulent epidemics wouldn't have managed to make its way into the Bigfoot population. If the population is really that small, it would only take one of these epidemics to completely wipe them out.

Remember, an epidemic doesn't have to kill every last one, it just has to reduce the population enough that they're no longer able to maintain a minimum viable population. The Bigfoot legend as it's told today already suggests that there aren't enough Bigfeet to maintain a minimum viable population. If Bigfoot existed, he'd probably be pretty horribly inbred, leading to congenital defects and a much higher rate of infant mortality, which would also help Bigfoot shuffle off this mortal coil.

Bigfoot never stood a chance again homo sapiens.

 

[STRONG LIKE BEAR]

The Bigfoot legend as it's told today already suggests that there aren't enough Bigfeet to maintain a minimum viable population.

This is the best part though. Apparently they are so few and discrete, yet actually they are all over the darn place!

BFRO has 234 legit bigfoot sightings for my state of Ohio alone! A class B sighting from 4 months ago, 1 county over! Bigfoot is here!

 

[Apology]

This is the best part though. Apparently they are so few and discrete, yet actually they are all over the darn place!

BFRO has 234 legit bigfoot sightings for my state of Ohio alone! A class B sighting from 4 months ago, 1 county over! Bigfoot is here!

Well, it's probably just one Bigfoot who really gets around

There used to be a poster named Historian here on JREF that claimed Bigfoot could travel in the 4th dimension and that was his explanation for the lack of bodies, evidence, etc., and how Bigfoot always got away. I believe Historian's Bigfoot was psychic as well, so it could read your mind and knew if you meant to harm it. I imagine that if Bigfoot was psychic, he'd know if you had a nasty cold or a little diptheria, and he'd be able to slip away into the 4th dimension before he caught it

I do love a good Bigfoot story.

 

[STRONG LIKE BEAR]

Holy hay!

So I got bored, and looked at some of the BFRO legitproofd listings for Ohio. Six Five Class A (!!!) encounters in the county I used to live in. Medina is a decent sized county, composing of several townships. It's semi rural , you will see chicken farmers with missing teeth at the bar, but Medina (city) itself is quite non-rural, lots of housing developments, and a couple large shopping centers in town.

From the center of town in Medina, it's 33 miles to the middle of Cleveland. It is impossible for there to be bigfoots here... or anywhere close by in northern Ohio.

The fact that these are even filed is hint enough, but they give them Class A status? really? So this is like, extra believable then. There is no way you can drive through this area and think to yourself "wow, now THIS is bigfoot country". The only areas where it is less likely that bigfoot exists is in an actual city