bigfoot is real I have the proof

This would be helpful - and consistent with an open and rational approach to the investigation: Go back to the site with a camera and take pictures of the same spot and put some numbers to the site.
1) Take a picture that shows the same trees next to your creature, only put some height markers on the tree.
2) Have a person stand in the same place and take their picture.
3) Have them stand in the creature's position and hold up a yardstick too.

That would give us some scale so that we don't have to extrapolate from inaccurate approximations based on the known measurements in the photos you originally provided.
 
In the picture referred to as the "original" (image.php?v=aV1XJ070), I can see the same "eyes" and "head shape" as in the "enhanced" picture. I have to turn the brightness way up, but I can see them.
Then you'll probably very soon be presented as Creekfreak's new "expert".:wink:

This would be helpful - and consistent with an open and rational approach to the investigation: Go back to the site with a camera and take pictures of the same spot and put some numbers to the site.
1) Take a picture that shows the same trees next to your creature, only put some height markers on the tree.
2) Have a person stand in the same place and take their picture.
3) Have them stand in the creature's position and hold up a yardstick too.
Well, Creekfreak isn't that keen on rational approaches to his investigation, as it involves writing.
Would have more success teaching a duck how to tap-dance.
But besides that, I agree with your suggestion.
 
Then you'll probably very soon be presented as Creekfreak's new "expert".:wink:

Hey, I bought Photoshop and went through some of the tutorials...of course I'm an expert! :cool:

I just think too much attention has been given to the enhancements. I think the consensus is that whatever method was used, it wasn't a credible one. It is a great example of cherry picking, where you only lighten and darken certain things. But it might have been done with sincere intentions.

However, the original photo contains the "head shape" and "eyes," we should focus on those. Are they a hoax or are they a weird trick of the light?

Unfortunately, my Photoshop tutorials don't cover that one. My gut says that the "original" has been altered to add the shapes, but that's just a gut reaction.

I apologize if this has already been covered...I didn't make it through all 1600 posts here. (Hey, it's not as bad as the P-G film thread).
 
I've been following this thread awhile now, and I think it does warrant repeating that there are some that think Creek has been a troll all along. It might be fun responding (and in the same way, it has been an entertaining read) but I don't want new folks thinking this some 1600 reply thread is quite the serious discussion it may seem (especially in seeing that some of the dubious pictures of Bigfoot have disappeared).
 
Thank you very much Neltana So many seen to not realize or refuse to except I am telling the truth .
You are so right what if russo did try and pull some haox on me doest it really matter ?
I really dont think he did try something like that you dont know him and I really dont know him that well myself .
He is just a freind of a freind that we both thought would be the best in the area becouse of his job to work on the photo to make the object stand out .
He agreed to work on it for free on his own valueable time I really dont think a man such as him would put himself in a position as to be called a hoaxer that would be very bad for his reputation as a news paper man .
Millions of people read his cartoons and he is very well respected for his comments on a number of very high profile topics .
He knew from the start I was going to put the photos out on the internet why would a man of his inteligence and standing in the publics eye do something to harm what he has worked for all his life ?
He would have nothing to gain from it like Ive said I really dont know the man that well its not like we hang out together .
I only knew him from work becouse he plays the keyboard for the band at the night club I worked at .
To tell you the truth we havent really talked much about the photo we just have never had the time to .
I handed him a cd with the photos on it and he asked me what I wanted done to them and I told him to just lighten it up so we can see the figure better .
I told him do not add anything becouse it will be put on the internet for the world to see and if he did add anything it would be called a hoax .
So he knew full well what he had in his hands if he pulled a hoax then he is a sick man becouse I in no way ever condoned anything of the sort .


Dr. Atlantis cool name I have to say I havent been able to get to the spot as of yet it will take a boat to get there you cant get there from where I was standing when the shot was taken .
As you can see in the photo that is marsh one step off into it and you risk being in quick sand thats not a good thing .
And of course this is gator country and that is a gator infested area you would be a fool going in from the side I was on .
The creek is just behind the trees on the other side I might be able to get to them from that side but I havent been able to get my boat that far down the creek yet .
I would have to tow the boat and launch at another place to be able to reach it becouse of all the obstructions from here to there .
I dont have anyway at this time to tow the boat to the ramp down the creek and dont have the resourses to buy a chain saw at this time to clear the creek .
So mesurements will have to wait a while .
This will happen though Thunder and I have allready discused it and its just a matter of being able to get there to do it .
We are just giveing our opnions on how tall she could have been takeing in account how high the marsh grass is compared to the trees and the possiblilty of her standing in a low area we just wont know for sure untell we see the spot first hand .
We do know she was not standing on the bank useing google earth you can see there is a space from the bank to the trees and in the photo it looks like she is right beside the trees .
I did take some photos of the area the next day with in 24 hours you can see the time stamped on the photos and the times are in the exif files .
But of course we plan to take some more to be sure all the mesurements are correct .


Folks Ive taken yet another hit to my quest the past 3 days I am in a flood at this time half my land is under 6 feet of water .
I Have launched the boat and I am going to try and retrive some equipment that got washed away from base camp .
The damage is going to be big my brand new generator is most likly a loss they dont build them water proof .
A 300 dollor first aid kit is floating somewhere in the jungle and my game is fryed I have a feeling also I dont think they are rated for under water use .
Got to go fight the rapids this could get dangerus but it will be a chance to test the boat in an extream conditions .
 
The original photo does not contain the eyes and head shape until after you have seen the altered photo, imo. Only then does your brain fill in the missing data.

The claim is that you can transform the original into the altered by turning up the blues, that it's a simple process, that anyone can do it easily.

Well, it isn't.
 
Thank you very much Neltana So many seen to not realize or refuse to except I am telling the truth .
You are so right what if russo did try and pull some haox on me doest it really matter ?
I really dont think he did try something like that you dont know him and I really dont know him that well myself .
He is just a freind of a freind that we both thought would be the best in the area becouse of his job to work on the photo to make the object stand out .
He agreed to work on it for free on his own valueable time I really dont think a man such as him would put himself in a position as to be called a hoaxer that would be very bad for his reputation as a news paper man .
Millions of people read his cartoons and he is very well respected for his comments on a number of very high profile topics .
He knew from the start I was going to put the photos out on the internet why would a man of his inteligence and standing in the publics eye do something to harm what he has worked for all his life ?
He would have nothing to gain from it like Ive said I really dont know the man that well its not like we hang out together .
I only knew him from work becouse he plays the keyboard for the band at the night club I worked at .
To tell you the truth we havent really talked much about the photo we just have never had the time to .
I handed him a cd with the photos on it and he asked me what I wanted done to them and I told him to just lighten it up so we can see the figure better .
I told him do not add anything becouse it will be put on the internet for the world to see and if he did add anything it would be called a hoax .
So he knew full well what he had in his hands if he pulled a hoax then he is a sick man becouse I in no way ever condoned anything of the sort .
Pointless re-hash of a long since resolved issue.

Disagree? I can't help but notice you've yet to post any rebuttal to say PetersCreak analysis (other then your typical blather that is). You said you had experts look at this picture...where are their reports, where is their analysis?

Lastly, to be clear...you'll refute (without basis) expert opinion such as PetersCreak or say DK (you remember him right...he was your expert until he disagreed with you) that disagrees with you…yet openly endorse a self proclaimed novice (at best) such as neltana?

Of course, that said you completely ignored his “My gut says that the ‘original’ has been altered to add the shapes, but that’s just a gut reaction” comment he made.

You mean…in the end, yet another “expert” you’ve endorsed that has concluded your pic is nothing more then a hoax?

Dr. Atlantis cool name I have to say I havent been able to get to the spot as of yet it will take a boat to get there you cant get there from where I was standing when the shot was taken .
As you can see in the photo that is marsh one step off into it and you risk being in quick sand thats not a good thing .
And of course this is gator country and that is a gator infested area you would be a fool going in from the side I was on .
The creek is just behind the trees on the other side I might be able to get to them from that side but I havent been able to get my boat that far down the creek yet .
I would have to tow the boat and launch at another place to be able to reach it becouse of all the obstructions from here to there .
I dont have anyway at this time to tow the boat to the ramp down the creek and dont have the resourses to buy a chain saw at this time to clear the creek .
So mesurements will have to wait a while .
This will happen though Thunder and I have allready discused it and its just a matter of being able to get there to do it .
We are just giveing our opnions on how tall she could have been takeing in account how high the marsh grass is compared to the trees and the possiblilty of her standing in a low area we just wont know for sure untell we see the spot first hand .
We do know she was not standing on the bank useing google earth you can see there is a space from the bank to the trees and in the photo it looks like she is right beside the trees .
I did take some photos of the area the next day with in 24 hours you can see the time stamped on the photos and the times are in the exif files .
But of course we plan to take some more to be sure all the mesurements are correct .
Just one giant, never ending excuse as to why you have filed to provide any proof or justification of your claims.

Folks Ive taken yet another hit to my quest the past 3 days I am in a flood at this time half my land is under 6 feet of water .
I Have launched the boat and I am going to try and retrive some equipment that got washed away from base camp .
The damage is going to be big my brand new generator is most likly a loss they dont build them water proof .
A 300 dollor first aid kit is floating somewhere in the jungle and my game is fryed I have a feeling also I dont think they are rated for under water use .
Got to go fight the rapids this could get dangerus but it will be a chance to test the boat in an extream conditions .
Yet more excuses as to why you can't provide any proof or justification of your claims.
 
Whats your excuse for being blind to the simple fact I am not trying to pull off a hoax ?
Why would I keep up the fight if I did not think I was right ?
Do you think I have something to gain here ?
How do you know PC is not lieing about the skills he has Lock ?
Haveing an expencive camara and taking some pretty shots with it doesent make him any more of an expert then the person I thought was an expert .
I could very easly find a photography forum join up and put the pictures up to be investigated by thousands of people so why should I take his word for anything ?
Your allways so sure of yourself let me give you some advice in critical thinking dont ever think you have all the angles covered your not as smart as you think .
I have some more questions for you .
What expertize do you have why should anyone take your word for anything ?
You ask me for justification of my claims where is the justification for yours ?
Wheres your proof you dont have any do you ?
Talk about woo you are full of it Lock you have no evidence what so ever that this is a hoax except for what is in your twisted mind .
I see you think I made up being in a flood thats just as good as Lt saying Ive pulled off a massive mind melt I should get the million for being able to do that !
Hey Randi theres your proof of super powers I can control the weather and make thousands see things I want them to see .
 
The fact that what Peter's Creek says makes sense is a very good starting point. The fact that he knows what EXIF data is, what layers are, and what is meant by RAW or other format is another hint that he knows what he's talking about.

You are in no position whatsoever to question his credentials, as evidence by your clear confusion on those matters mentioned above when you were asked about them.

If PC was bluffing it, several of us here would have seen through it.

and if you want to question my credentials on wildlife photography, try checking here:
http://www.photobox.co.uk/album/7605487

or here:
http://www.fotolibra.com/gallery/user/6134/catherine-chillzero/
 
Creek, you are the one making the original claim. Why don't you provide some of the support people have asked you for time and time again?

*What's the name of the judge who was a co-witness to your bigfoot encounter? How can we get in touch with him?

*What are the names of the hunters who have, as you claim, encountered bigfoot in your area? How do we get in touch with them?

*What are the names of some--say five--of the twenty neighbors who, you say, have seen bigfoot in your area? How do we get in touch with them?

Your claim is that bigfoot is real and you have the proof. Present the proof; the photo alone won't do it. People who do have competency in analyzing photos have said that it does not represent an unknown animal; don't spend your time just saying "does too, does too, does too." That won't convince anyone. Give us some support for your story, as people have repeatedly requested.
 
Whats your excuse for being blind to the simple fact I am not trying to pull off a hoax ?
Personal attack does nothing to prove your claims.

Why would I keep up the fight if I did not think I was right ?
Do you think I have something to gain here ?
You've brought up money several times here, not to mention on other web sites and on your myspace. I'd suggest this may be motiviation enough.


How do you know PC is not lieing about the skills he has Lock ?
Haveing an expencive camara and taking some pretty shots with it doesent make him any more of an expert then the person I thought was an expert .
Just sour grapes that PetersCreak's analysis showed your claims to be false. Personal attack does nothing to prove your claim.

PetersCreak has provided his background/credientials...you've provided nothing to refute them, other then personal attack. Truly a intellectually dishonest act.

I could very easly find a photography forum join up and put the pictures up to be investigated by thousands of people so why should I take his word for anything ?
Then in all this time why haven't you?

Your allways so sure of yourself let me give you some advice in critical thinking dont ever think you have all the angles covered your not as smart as you think .
Diversion is a typical "woo woo" tactict and does nothing to prove your claims.

I have some more questions for you .
What expertize do you have why should anyone take your word for anything ?
You ask me for justification of my claims where is the justification for yours ?
Wheres your proof you dont have any do you ?
Diversion does nothing to prove your claims. Additionally, you've been asked multiple times to provide what you would consider "proof" of expertise...you have yet to do so, so truly a pointless question on your part.

Talk about woo you are full of it Lock you have no evidence what so ever that this is a hoax except for what is in your twisted mind .
Actually, you have provided all the proof necessary to support a "hoaxer" claim. I'm not sure anyone could have done better...well done.

I see you think I made up being in a flood thats just as good as Lt saying Ive pulled off a massive mind melt I should get the million for being able to do that !
Hey Randi theres your proof of super powers I can control the weather and make thousands see things I want them to see .
While my gibberish skills are lacking, from what I gather...you are just making more excuses as to why you can't provide any proof to support any of your wacky claims.
 
He was given the files ..and he has not shown what was done to the photo to make it a hoax .
If he was the expert he says he is then he could show that something was added but he has not .
All he has done is give an opinon nothing more this is not over by a long shot chill when I said nothing was added and it hasent been proven I was not just blowing smoke .
 
Lock I would be willing to pay for your bus ticket to come down for a visit just so you could see for yourself what you have been missing .
Do you have have the equipment needed to survive with me for one month ?
How would you survive in my world Lock ?
Ever been to the swamp before ?
Ever been face to face with the other monsters of the swamps ?
The gators, snakes, 6 foot gars that will rip you apart not to mention right now the snakes are in the trees .
Have you ever been in a place like this Lock how would you survive being in the middle of it ?
Think about that while your haveing lunch today Ill be haveing mine with snakes hanging over my head .
 
He was given the files ..and he has not shown what was done to the photo to make it a hoax . If he was the expert he says he is then he could show that something was added but he has not .


Then apparently, you did not read the analysis...or any of my posts addressing same...with any care or comprehension.

All he has done is give an opinon nothing more this is not over by a long shot chill when I said nothing was added and it hasent been proven I was not just blowing smoke .


The difference being, I posted my considered opinion for review and critique by the community. It is subject to correction by those who can make reasoned arguments about my methods and/or conclusions. I stand by my opinion and my work as far as it stands up to well-founded rebuttal. If all or part of my opinion is effectively rebutted, intellectual honesty demands that I correct myself...and I most certainly will.

You, on the other hand, have claimed that the "enhanced" image was produced using only basic adjustments to brightness and by cranking up the blues by an unspecified method. Yet so far, you have failed (miserably!) to provide details of those simple steps to us. I demonstrated in my analysis that a simple global adjustment to brightness will come reasonably close to duplicating the image. You have demonstrated little else than a stubborn unwillingness to acknowledge effective rebuttals.

Furthermore...and this has been mentioned many times...you have also failed to make any kind of reasoned, point-by-point argument against the analyis itself. Instead, you have simply engaged in personal attacks and the online equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears while singing la-la-la at the top of your voice.

Lock I would be willing to pay for your bus ticket to come down for a visit just so you could see for yourself what you have been missing .


Sounds like another empty bluffing. I don't think you'd pay even if you had the money. Since you don't, it sounds doubly empty.

...6 foot gars that will rip you apart...


Please provide one substantiated report of a gar attacking and ripping a human being apart. I lived in Louisiana for several years and I caught many spotted, short nose, long nose, and alligator gar...with both rod and bow...so I don't think you can provide any such evidence. Just more empty bluster and bluff.

Think about that while your haveing lunch today Ill be haveing mine with snakes hanging over my head .


Ooooooh, water snakes in a tree...scawy. Bald-faced exaggeration does nothing to make you look better.
 
He was given the files ..and he has not shown what was done to the photo to make it a hoax .
If he was the expert he says he is then he could show that something was added but he has not .
All he has done is give an opinon nothing more this is not over by a long shot chill when I said nothing was added and it hasent been proven I was not just blowing smoke .
You obviously either did not read his analysis, or read it but are unable to understand it - take your pick. Bottom line, no matter how much you rant on and on, your photo does not show a "BF".

Of course, you'll continue to rant on and on...and as usual provide nothing but your rants as proof/evidence.
 
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Lock I would be willing to pay for your bus ticket to come down for a visit just so you could see for yourself what you have been missing .
Do you have have the equipment needed to survive with me for one month ?
How would you survive in my world Lock ?
Ever been to the swamp before ?
Ever been face to face with the other monsters of the swamps ?
The gators, snakes, 6 foot gars that will rip you apart not to mention right now the snakes are in the trees .
Have you ever been in a place like this Lock how would you survive being in the middle of it ?
Think about that while your haveing lunch today Ill be haveing mine with snakes hanging over my head .
I'm sorry, just to busy laughing....

Not to discount the inherent dangers any environment poses, something tells me I was a bit more “in harms way” when I deployed.

In any event…what does anything of your claptrap have to do with your providing proof/evidence to support your claims? Oh that’s right, it doesn’t.
 

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