bigfoot is real I have the proof

[LAL]

No. Please do not.

I have already advised that personal issues with other forums should not be pursued here, and such comments should not pass moderation review.

Actually, the BFRO is an organization that happens to have a forum (doesn't everyone?). I don't think issues with the BFRO would have much, if anything, to do with the forum.

A technicality, I suppose, but if Creekfreak has dealings with Matt Moneymaker, or anyone else in the BFRO, I would hope his information could pass moderator review. I'm sure we're all just semi-dying to see it.

 

[spc476]

We can see hwy386 just as well.

Back in post #562, I gave what I think is the area the photograph in question was taken, all based on information CreekFreak gave. You can type in "@30.032244,-85.313473" in the search field at Google Maps to see the location in question.

 

[LTC8K6]

Back in post #562, I gave what I think is the area the photograph in question was taken, all based on information CreekFreak gave. You can type in "@30.032244,-85.313473" in the search field at Google Maps to see the location in question.

That was done long ago. No need to look again.

 

[Drewbot]

I hope to clear my name lock I dont want to die with people thinking I am some kind of crack pot .

You should have listened to me days ago.
If you want to start clearing your name, you MUST do the following;

1. Admit that there is no bigfoot in these photos
2. Admit you were fabricating stories in order to get money for the photos

I tried to get you to come clean a week ago, you didn't. DW tried to get you to stop a week ago, you didn't. Now you have been proven to be a fraud, and you still won't admit it. What is going on Creek? All you have proven in this thread, is that Darkwing made the correct decision.

Edited by Cuddles: 

As requested by Chill, please keep issues from other forums out of this.

 

[Drewbot]

Also, as LTC mentioned the choppers are different. Just so you know, the photo in question has an OH-58 helicopter in it. And the photo of the Chopper carrying the bucket shows a converted AH-1 Cobra helicopter. The AH-1 is a powerful unit capable of carrying several hundred gallons of water at a time. I think the spec spec the OH58 is capable of carrying a 75 gallon water bucket.

The OH58 is used for Reconnaissance of fire fighting. And probably was not dipping a bucket when the photo was taken.

PS- I doubt even the BFRO would touch any claims by Creekfreak now. If they were planning any expeditions to Floridas panhandle, with Creek along as a consultant, I'm sure that idea is long gone.

 

[DrewD]

I just caught up.

Wow, the bible somehow came into this, DW was an expert now he is not, PC did an excellent job on the photos and even provided his methods. Creek denies that he is an expert and that this John is. I can't wait to see what John has to say about PC's analysis.

 

[Correa Neto]

OK, saw the "origional" pics.

I must say I nowadays think I was wrong. That's not a tree stump IMHO.

I think its just... Nothing.

The outline is an illusion composed by branches over a dark area, possibly an area darkened by vegetation. This feature was altered to increase the illusion of a gorilla face.

Much ado about a hoax attempt. And a very silly one, specially given the place where it was attempted. Next time, try BFRO first, not last.

 

[Belz...]

Unholy mother of HELL this thread has grown exponentially!!!!

 

[Creekfreak]

Lock I would have to agree with you none of this has been handled well so far .
Sure a book on scientific procedures would help in the future but that will not change what has happened allready .
I have only done what I thought was right by going to people that in my mind knew what they where doing .
You cant fault me for haveing confidence in the people that I have in this matter .
From the start even when I reported my sighting to the bfro I was under the impression they and others where the ones that knew how to handle all the procedures .
I was worng .
You have to understand I was tramatized by this I had never had any fear of being in the woods in my life I could lay down any where in the jungle and sleep without fear of any thing .
Then I walked up on this gaint creature in my back yard of all places and my world as I knew it changed 360 degrees. Seeing a bigfoot tends to change you brother !
I needed anwsers anybody would after seeing one beleave me so I went to the internet. My thinking was there had to be someone out there studying this thing its just to big to ignore .
Useing my "googler" the first site I came to was the bfro I thought thank God I am not crazzy !
They looked like they where not a bunch of crazzy people and where going about this in the right way .
They had a great site with a very large data base of sightings and great imformation so I felt safe to report to them .
Mind you it was almost 2 years after that before I even found my first forum about bigfoot .
I only found that becouse of the bfro guys that had taken over this area had been out here and told me to check out the forum and that they had made some changes .
In doing so I found there where forums about bigfoot the bff was the bigest so I joined .
I was so excited there was a place to talk about it I was haveing a great time untell someone asked about me and what I do with my time .
I told them I spend my time inventing and that I had invented a machine to wrap fishing poles .and other machines then jokeingly said I invented the weedeater and bungie jumping as a kid .
Let me explain that before we go any farther .
Right away I was band they never gave me a chance to explain my side of the story right away I was lieing just like what happened here .
I did not invent what is known today as bungie or the weedeater but they where pretty close for a kid that never watched tv or had any contact with the outside world .
In my mind I had invented them everybody was so fast to say its a lie and hes trying to pull a hoax .
Without being able to explain myself my reputation was gone allready just for inventing something to play with as a kid .
Most of our toys we built other then xmas we did not get many toys and what we got had to last and you know how long toys last with kids !
We would wear the tires off bigwheel in just a few days store bought toys could not handle the pressure we put on them .
So we had to use our imagination to entertaine ourselfs .
One day my Dad gave me a spool of bungie cord to play with from the air force and told me I could not cut it up .
There wasent much you could do with it but thats all I had to play with so I figured out a way to play with it with out cuting it .
You got it! Give a kid spool of bungie and sooner or later hes going to figure out a way to bounce up and down with it !
So you see all that was taken out of context my words where twisted and I was made out to be a kook .
Welcome to the internet forum jungle !
Now we come to the photo .
I thought I was doing the right thing I was worng I was geting advise from all sides .
I had one guy saying this is worth millions if we handle it right so I hired him to do the leg work for me .
I dident want to be bothered by being on the internet finding a buyer all I wanted was to be in the field .
After a while he said he had a buyer it was a tabloid and they where offering big money for it but wanted the sd card first so they could do some enhancing themselfs from the card .
I said no way I will only show the card in person send travel expences and I will come with the card .
I was not just going to give it to them we where not geting any where so I disided to do everything myself .
I did not want to go with the tabliods from the start becouse that would ruin my reputation as a crediable researcher .
So I started contacting outdoor magazines telling them I had a picture of bigfoot and it was for sale .
Needless to say I got no responces from any of them .
As all this was going on I was still dealing with the mabrc I had all my irons in the fire .
I was in the process of geting a copy to them when a few of there members started to call hoax .
This was before none of them had even seen the original .
After that I left without any bickering was still in good standing with Dark and I was fine with it I still even went there every day just to read .
Then I disided for some stupid lame brain reason that the best way to promote a picture of a bigfoot was to go up aganst the sceptics or "septics" as I call them .
Worng again !!
Well maybe not all worng I did get exposure and that is not a bad thing when your trying to sale something you could call it free advertizing .
you cant buy this kind of exposure you have to make it happen .
I knew what I was geting into I am not your average hick .
I deal with people in real life from all over the world in person its my job I would not be doing if I was not good at it .
Lock I have no problem with what has happened on this forum my thoughts are pure and my heart is also Ive done nothing worng in my mind .
I have not tryed to pull a hoax others have said that but its not true .
The only thing I have been guilty of is misjudgeing the honesty and agendas of others .
Granted this may not have been the best way to go about this but I damm sure have learned alot from this .
I can now seperate sentences and even start a new paragraph if I am inclined to do so .
I can even use the quote button if I wanted to .
All is not lost I still have the sd card and that is enough to prove I own the photo .
I have enough exposure on the internet that sooner or later someone with the expertize will come along and prove it is real .
I have nothing to worry about I know I am right so I have the upper hand all I have to do now is sit back and let nature take its course .
Ever heard the saying it all comes out in the wash well the agitater has just kicked in gear .
Stick around for the spin cycle its going to get good around here when its proven to be real .

 

[Normal Dude]

Lock I would have to agree with you none of this has been handled well so far .
Sure a book on scientific procedures would help in the future but that will not change what has happened allready .
I have only done what I thought was right by going to people that in my mind knew what they where doing .
You cant fault me for haveing confidence in the people that I have in this matter .
From the start even when I reported my sighting to the bfro I was under the impression they and others where the ones that knew how to handle all the procedures .
I was worng .

Did it ever occur to you that they DID know what they were doing? Or is anyone who disagrees with you automatically wrong?

I had one guy saying this is worth millions if we handle it right so I hired him to do the leg work for me .
After a while he said he had a buyer it was a tabloid and they where offering big money for it but wanted the sd card first so they could do some enhancing themselfs from the card .

Personally, I would have gone with selling it to Weekly World News. That WAS it was, right? What, did they not offer you enough?

I said no way I will only show the card in person send travel expences and I will come with the card .

Well, there is one of your problems. You set these ridiculous requirements that make no sense and only destroy your credibility.

I did not want to go with the tabliods from the start becouse that would ruin my reputation as a crediable researcher .

So instead you came onto the internet and attempted to exhort money from various forums and a government agency. Right.

I was in the process of geting a copy to them when a few of there members started to call hoax .
This was before none of them had even seen the original .

Someday you might learn that your very words and actions, from your first post on, are what lead people to this conclusion. The original photo just sealed the conclusion.

Then I disided for some stupid lame brain reason that the best way to promote a picture of a bigfoot was to go up aganst the sceptics or "septics" as I call them .

Ouch. Like we haven't heard that gem before.

Well maybe not all worng I did get exposure and that is not a bad thing when your trying to sale something you could call it free advertizing .
you cant buy this kind of exposure you have to make it happen .

I've googled you, and trust me you show up almost no where. What little hits I do get, are not good exposure.

I deal with people in real life from all over the world in person its my job I would not be doing if I was not good at it .

Which job is this? You haven't any people skills since your first post.

I have enough exposure on the internet that sooner or later someone with the expertize will come along and prove it is real .

Right. So you will let others come along do your work for you. Some researcher. Will they only have expertise if they happen to agree wit you? What about that hair?

I have nothing to worry about I know I am right so I have the upper hand all I have to do now is sit back and let nature take its course .
Ever heard the saying it all comes out in the wash well the agitater has just kicked in gear .
Stick around for the spin cycle its going to get good around here when its proven to be real .

So far, now that all of your "evidence" has been debunked, you have done nothing but blow hot air. I'm sure that in your mind that's a great retort, but it is not doing much to convince anyone here reading.

 

[Locknar]

Creek - I was going to reply to your note, but to be honest Normal Dude hit every single point I was going to make.

At this point, your current body of "evidence" is worthless given the lack of any documentation or protocols (which can not be applied after the fact). This would include your photograph.

Get a book, learn the proper mechanics of research, and go from there. Further discussion, given your current body of "evidence" is moot.

Normal Dude - Nicely done!

 

[Locknar]

Wanting to stay on topic thread wise....

Creek - In another forum/thread, you claimed:
- BF comes into your home, and seems to favor caned beans
- BF eats cooked bacon you leave outside

If these are valid claims....why no photo's, video, etc. of this event? These would seem an ideal opportunity to capture indisputable photographic (and other) evidence.

You've also mentioned needing "high tech" (to paraphrase) cameras and long range sensors...if they are entering your home, why would you need such equipment?

Specific to the sensors, you mentioned some a 3mi range that are able to distinguish mammals by size....who makes these sensors, who sells them, etc.; surly there must be a Internet link that provides information on such devices?

 

[PetersCreek]

To piggyback on what Locknar asked...

If you deployed these 3-mile sensors in an area up to their maximum range, how many sensors would you use to cover the ~28-square-mile area in order to provide the tracking information you claimed they would give you?

What assurance would you have that anything detected by a proximity sensor is in fact a Bigfoot? How would you differentiate other large targets from a supposed Bigfoot? That is, how would you determine the difference between a deer detected at one proximity sensor site, a large dog at another a few minutes later, and a man at yet another?

 

[PetersCreek]

From another thread where this discussion doesn't belong...

PC, could you tell me what your results were from the photos. I didn't talke a lot of time looking at your results and didn't understand what I did look at. I did some 35mm and some med. format work a while back, but when it comes to digital photography I'm pretty much lost. I know the enhanced would show manipulation but what about the orginal #001? Just my ignorance showing,, LOL.

I've added a new image to the analysis gallery to better illustrate the area of concern. In the darkest areas, that level of detail cannot be reasonably differentiated from sensor noise. Producing such grossly altered detail goes far beyond "enhancement". Those details were not achieved by simple overall adjustments. Someone had to selectively make those changes to small constrained areas (and not to others) in order to create the image presented. The eyes alone indicate radical selective adjustment.

Of course, my analysis could easily be refuted by providing the work flow used to create the "enhanced" image. Duplicating it would produce an exact or substantially identical match.

 

[ThunderFoot]

Thanx PC for moving this over here. Although Lock was saying that we were out of thread he kept asking me my opinion about the photo on that thread so I gave up.

What I was wanting to know, has the orginal photograph been altered. I can e-mail you the photo or I can mail it via the post office if that would make a difference. Again my ignorance to digital photography is showing here.

 

[Locknar]

From another thread where this discussion doesn't belong...



I've added a new image to the analysis gallery to better illustrate the area of concern. In the darkest areas, that level of detail cannot be reasonably differentiated from sensor noise. Producing such grossly altered detail goes far beyond "enhancement". Those details were not achieved by simple overall adjustments. Someone had to selectively make those changes to small constrained areas (and not to others) in order to create the image presented. The eyes alone indicate radical selective adjustment.

Of course, my analysis could easily be refuted by providing the work flow used to create the "enhanced" image. Duplicating it would produce an exact or substantially identical match.

With neither Creek or Thunder being "experts" I suspect they will simply refute fact with sillyness & claim you are wrong.

There is the off chance that Russo will chime in, via Thunder of course, saying that you have it all wrong but won't go into details.

 

[Ravenwood]

could the localized altered detai be the source of the artifacts we are seeing in the 2nd photo, notably the "box" around the eye area. I'm no photo shop expert, but have used cs enough think that it looked like a cut & paste job (the background changes at the edge of the box seem to indicate as much, but I defer to your expertise in this matter)

 

[Creekfreak]

the work flow or history as I think you are talking about has allready been provided Dark unlocked that himself . John told me to tell you that all you have to do is reverse what he did and you will see the prosess he used . I dont know how to do it myself so I cant show you or tell you how to do it .

 

[Dale]

Once, during an extended stay at my remote cabin in northwestern Ontario, I stalked and bagged a bigfoot. It was quite good; no "gamey flavor" at all. Kinda reminded me of wild hickory nuts.
Just make sure you remove the scent glands (at the back of the heels) and all that smelly......er, never mind. D

 

[LTC8K6]

the work flow or history as I think you are talking about has allready been provided Dark unlocked that himself . John told me to tell you that all you have to do is reverse what he did and you will see the prosess he used . I dont know how to do it myself so I cant show you or tell you how to do it .

I have stated the eyes and face will show up without adding anything to the photo all that has to be done is adjust the colors in the photo . I have done this myself and it is not hard to do .

How did you do it, Creek? Tell us your work flow to get from the original to the enhanced version. You have done it, and it's not hard to do, so tell us how you did it.