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Albert Ostman - Kidnapped by a Bigfoot in 1924

Ostman: I was awakened by something picking me up. I was half asleep and at first I did not remember where I was. As I began to get my wits together, I remembered I was on this prospecting trip, and in my sleeping bag.

My first thought was—it must be a snow slide, but there was no snow around my camp. Then it felt like I was tossed on horseback, but I could feel whoever it was, was walking.

I tried to reason out what kind of animal this could be, I tried to get at my sheath knife, and cut my way out, but I was in an almost sitting position, and the knife was under me. I could not get hold of it, but the rifle was in front of me, I had a good hold of that, and had no intention to let go of it. At times I could feel my packsack touching me, and could feel the cans in the sack touching my back.

After what seemed like an hour, I could feel we were going up a steep hill. I could feel myself rise for every step. What was carrying me was breathing hard and sometimes gave a slight cough. Now, I knew this must be one of the mountain Sasquatch giants the Indian told me about.

They look like a family, old man, old lady and two young ones, a boy and a girl. The boy and the girl seem to be scared of me. The old lady did not seem too pleased about what the old man dragged home. But the old man was waving his arms and telling them all what he had in mind. They all left me then.

John Green's review: If someone told it now it would probably be laughed off, even by sasquatch enthusiasts, because detailed information is readily available in print and several people have made up slightly similar accounts of adventures with the hairy giants. For Albert Ostman there was no pattern to follow. Some of the things he said of the sasquatch have not been confirmed by the hundreds of later reports. No one else, for instance, has described anything like bark and moss blankets. But his descriptions of the creatures themselves, which were at variance with the common impression at that time, have been confirmed over and over again.

The only other information that has come to my attention which appears to have a bearing on the Ostman story was a comment by an old friend of mine that he had first heard of the sasquatch in the early 1930’s from a trapper at Toba Inlet who said he knew a young Swede who had been carried off by one.

The Bigfooters have a fairly tough time coming right out and saying that this story is a big lie. Did somebody just mention "the scoftic mindset"? :boggled:
 
The Ostman story is not a hoax. Plain and simple. It was 85 years ago, and any attempt to prove it wrong is just a waste of time
 
William Parcher said:
..people either forget or never really think much about the fact that Bigfoot has never been found in over 400 years on this continent..


That google told you? You can't know what information didn't make it to present day. That's the "bigfoot" out. Is it a long-standing hoax, or the most plausible cryptid? It is hard to fathom going this long without resolution, but the myth is set up for us to be on the edge of discovery. The concept is perfect, for what it is. Which is what I suspect intrigues you about BF, the phenomenon.


I'm not entirely sure what you are saying here. Long-standing hoax is one way to describe the BF phenomenon, but another way makes it less sinister or cruel sounding... long-standing folk tradition. When does folk tradition become something like fraud? Creating fake Bigfoot tracks and then declaring them, or having someone else declare them real, is an old tradition here in North America. Coloring hard-boiled eggs is also a tradition and these are declared to have come from a rabbit. But it seems odd to call the Easter Bunny a long-standing hoax. Like there must be a better word to use besides hoax.
 
There is no concrete proof that it is a hoax, nor is there concrete proof that it is a real encounter, so, in other words, it is a useless anecdote

You need to make up your mind. You just definitively stated that it is not a hoax.
 
THANK YOU. I've been making this point to true believers for years, but those same ridiculous examples keep turning up in their argumentation.


Just as an example, if the mountain gorilla were the equivalent of Bigfoot, the gorilla would still be unconfirmed to this day. The African natives would be talking about it and insisting it exists, but entirely unable to provide a body or body part for over 400 years and into the modern age. Guns, spears, traps, dogs, GPS, walkie-talkies, etc. AND STILL NO GORILLA DEAD OR ALIVE.

Can someone explain why Bigfooters use the mountain gorilla as an example for their benefit? Is it not true that the lowland gorilla was scientifically confirmed long before the mountain gorilla (1902)? If so, the so-called skepticism wasn't directed at the existence of a gorilla-type creature... it was only just skepticism that those things also lived up on a mountain. Is that what the footers are talking about? "Yes, we know about the gorilla and that is fine. But I'm no stupid fool to go and think that they would be up on the mountain too."
 
While it is unlikely to be the real deal, it is not likely a hoax. Mistaken? Yes.

So within 30 minutes you've gone from "it's not a hoax," to "we don't know," to "it is not likely a hoax."

Either way, you have yet to provide any reasoning for your rapidly-changing assessment.
 
Type species, Troglodytes gorilla (Savage, 1847).

Gorilla genus (Geoffroy, 1852).

Gorilla beringei (Matschie, 1903).

Gorilla gorilla diehli (Matschie, 1904).

Gorilla beringei beringei (Matschie, 1914). The "mountain gorilla".

Gorilla beringei graueri (Matschie, 1914).
 
http://www.gorilla100.com/30-Discovery.html

Note the lack of elusiveness, the lack of screaming at the intruders, and the fact that that others didn't carry away their dead before the humans could recover them.

From the diary said:
From our campsite we were able to watch a herd of big, black monkeys which tried to climb the crest of the volcano. We succeeded in killing two of these animals, and with a rumbling noise they tumbled into a ravine, which had its opening in a north-easterly direction. After five hours of strenuous work we succeeded in retrieving one of these animals using a rope. It was a big, human-like male monkey of one and a half metres in height and a weight of more than 200 pounds. His chest had no hair, and his hand and feet were of enormous size. Unfortunately I was unable to determine its type; because of its size, it could not very well be a chimpanzee or a gorilla, and in any case the presence of gorillas had not been established in the area around the lakes
 
THis is a tour group, repeating unattributed anecdote, the point being discussed was,
Originally Posted by EHocking
Try sticking to the subject and provide a scientific or historically verifiable cite that supports this crypto myth about the western discovery of the gorilla.
For the Okapi

An Okapi is not a Gorilla. I take it then that you cannot provide scientific or valid historical evidence that this is nothing buy a Bigfoot Science(TM) Myth.
 
Just as an example, if the mountain gorilla were the equivalent of Bigfoot, the gorilla would still be unconfirmed to this day. The African natives would be talking about it and insisting it exists, but entirely unable to provide a body or body part for over 400 years and into the modern age. Guns, spears, traps, dogs, GPS, walkie-talkies, etc. AND STILL NO GORILLA DEAD OR ALIVE.

Can someone explain why Bigfooters use the mountain gorilla as an example for their benefit? Is it not true that the lowland gorilla was scientifically confirmed long before the mountain gorilla (1902)? If so, the so-called skepticism wasn't directed at the existence of a gorilla-type creature... it was only just skepticism that those things also lived up on a mountain. Is that what the footers are talking about? "Yes, we know about the gorilla and that is fine. But I'm no stupid fool to go and think that they would be up on the mountain too."

The Lowland gorilla would represent humans, and the Mountain gorilla would represent sasquatch
 
The Lowland gorilla would represent humans, and the Mountain gorilla would represent sasquatch


Complete nonsense again.

Bullet ---> Scientific Confirmation

We succeeded in killing two of these animals, and with a rumbling noise they tumbled into a ravine, which had its opening in a north-easterly direction.

Bigfoot does not exist.
 
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