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I don't if I've ever seen a statement quite so antithetical to the tenets of critical thinking. Bravo.
Reminds me of the (in)famous line from Ken Ham during the Nye-Ham debate when each was asked what would change their respective minds and both (essentially) gave one-word answers: Nye said "Evidence!" and Ham said "Nothing!" Wraps it up. Last man out turn off the lights.
 
Ah yes the "assumed unknown unknown that proves my Woo because you can't disprove it." argument.
 
Bolded mine, Thank you. Location has nothing to do with proven existence as per the definition of a cryptid.

Bigfoot is a cryptid, whether located in the PNW or KY. Scientifically unconfirmed to exist.

Melanistic jaguars are not, whether located in the Amazon or KY. Scientifically confirmed to exist.

Breeding population is a separate issue. I'll never see it any other way.
Chris B.
That post needs to be bronzed. Being so willful is "nothing to be proud of Rusty."

But this is funny.

The definition of cryptid (Wikipedia): "...a cryptid (from the Greek κρύπτω, krypto, meaning "hide") is a creature or plant whose existence has been suggested but has not been discovered or documented by the scientific community." Like melanistic jaguars in Kentucky?
[...]
"Cryptid" has also been applied by cryptozoologists [Loren Coleman?] to animals whose existence is accepted by the scientific community, but which are considered of interest to cryptozoology, such as the coelacanth..." Or melanistic jaguars in Kentucky?
[...]
George M. Eberhart of the American Library Association, who has written for the Journal of Scientific Exploration on the difficulties of cataloging media materials about fringe science, classifies ten types of mystery animals under the cryptozoological umbrella:
1. Distribution anomalies [known animals reported outside their normal range, e.g. the anomalous big cats of the U.K.]. Like melanistic jaguars in Kentucky?
2. Undescribed, unusual, or outsized variations of known species [e.g. the giant anacondas reported from Amazonia or the spotted lions of East Africa]. Like black jaguars in Kentucky?
[...]

Game. Set. Match.

ETA: One of my true best friends, whom I've known for 45+ years has never once acknowledged (in my presence) the existence of the grey. I hardly think it's because he's unaware of it either, it's more to do with being unwilling to "deal with it." The confusion. The ambiguity. The lack of instant relief/closure. As such, to him everything can only be one of two things, black or white. It always has to be easy. Precise. Quick. Clear. Yes or no. Up or down. Bigfoot. No Bigfoot. And that's how it is with Chris I'm now convinced. Although he doesn't wholly dis-acknowledge the grey, he hates it. Thus Bigfoot. Chris saw something that had to be Bigfoot because the only other choice is not Bigfoot. It couldn't possibly be one of the one million other more likely things because that's grey and that's sucky.
 
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From Cryptomundo:
http://cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/cryptozooterms/
Bolded mine.

" “Cryptid” is a relatively new word used among professionals and laypeople to denote an animal of interest to cryptozoology. John E. Wall of Manitoba coined it in a letter published in the summer 1983 issue of the ISC Newsletter (vol. 2, no. 2, p. 10), published by the International Society of Cryptozoology. Recently “cryptid” was recognized by the lexicographers at Merriam-Webster as a word of legitimate coinage, though it has yet to appear in their dictionary, as of 1999.

Cryptids are either unknown species of animals or animals which, though thought to be extinct, may have survived into modern times and await rediscovery by scientists. “Cryptid” is derived from “crypt,” from the Greek kryptos (hidden); “id,” from the Latin ides, a patronymic suffix; and the Greek “ides,” which means “in sense.” When the suffix id is used it typically applies to an implied lineage or similar usages, as in “perseid” (meteors appearing to originate from Perseus, typically around August 11).


Bernard Heuvelmans’s definition of cryptozoology itself was exact: “The scientific study of hidden animals, i.e., of still unknown animal forms about which only testimonial and circumstantial evidence is available, or material evidence considered insufficient by some!”

Over the pre-turn-of-the-century decade (i.e. 1989-1999) some have suggested that the science of cryptozoology should be expanded to include many animals as “cryptids,” specifically including the study of out-of-place animals, feral animals, and even animal ghosts and apparitions. In the journal Cryptozoology, Heuvelmans rejects such notions with typical thoroughness, and not a little wry humor:

Admittedly, a definition need not conform necessarily to the exact etymology of a word. But it is always preferable when it really does so which I carefully endeavored to achieve when I coined the term “cryptozoology.” All the same being a very tolerant person, even in the strict realm of science, I have never prevented anybody from creating new disciplines of zoology quite distinct from cryptozoology. How could I, in any case?

So, let people who are interested in founding a science of “unexpected animals,” feel free to do so, and if they have a smattering of Greek and are not repelled by jaw breakers they may call it”aprosbletozoology” or “apronoeozoology” or even “anelistozoology.” Let those who would rather be searching for “bizarre animals” create a “paradoozoology,” and those who prefer to go a hunting for “monstrous animals,” or just plain “monsters,” build up a “teratozoology” or more simply a “pelorology.”

But for heavens sake, let cryptozoology be what it is, and what I meant it to be when I gave it its name over thirty years ago!
"

I'm with John and Bernard, and they coined the words and definitions for them. That's the facts in "black and white". Let's not try to reinvent something to suit our own purpose, it is what it is and should be used as it was created and intended. That's why known animals and breeding populations are a separate issue and I'll never see it any other way. Why? Because that's the way the creators of these terms intended and envisioned for them to be used. For future reference, if you want to know the definition of a term, if possible, it's always best to go to the one who coined it.
Chris B.
 
.........I will add statistics to the list of subjects that you do not understand.

Hang on a minute.......

Chris wasn't talking about statistics. He was doing simple arithmetic. 50% of 4 is actually 2, as he said. He may be wrong about BF, but that really doesn't mean that everything he says about anything at all is always wrong. Don't just pile in.
 
He also claimed to be a researcher at the Alamogordo primate facility. Let's not forget that.

Forget hair color. How come bigfeet never go bald? I'd like to know their secret.

Bloody hell, I must have missed that one! LOL. Sasquatch toupees are all the rage these days. In the UK we call them Sasyrups. Combining the common name for Bigfoot (Sasquatch) with the rhyming slang "syrup of figs," aka (wigs.)
 
Hang on a minute.......

Chris wasn't talking about statistics. He was doing simple arithmetic. 50% of 4 is actually 2, as he said. He may be wrong about BF, but that really doesn't mean that everything he says about anything at all is always wrong. Don't just pile in.

You're right, he was correct when he said that half of 4 is 2, but besides that, pretty much everything he says is contradictory and nonsensical. I guess that's why people are "piling in," afterall, this is a sceptical website and he's chatting pure drivel.
 
Hang on a minute.......

Chris wasn't talking about statistics. He was doing simple arithmetic. 50% of 4 is actually 2, as he said. He may be wrong about BF, but that really doesn't mean that everything he says about anything at all is always wrong. Don't just pile in.

I believe what Chris said was %50 specimen collection. So since we're in a nitpicky mood, he was wrong unless he knows precisely how many of each of those species lives in KY and that the number of each species collected is exactly half of that population.

What he should have said was something more like at least one of %50 of the species listed has been documented.
 
I believe what Chris said was %50 specimen collection. So since we're in a nitpicky mood, he was wrong unless he knows precisely how many of each of those species lives in KY and that the number of each species collected is exactly half of that population.

What he should have said was something more like at least one of %50 of the species listed has been documented.

Correct.
 
From Cryptomundo:
http://cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/cryptozooterms/
Bolded mine.

" “Cryptid” is a relatively new word used among professionals and laypeople to denote an animal of interest to cryptozoology. John E. Wall of Manitoba coined it in a letter published in the summer 1983 issue of the ISC Newsletter (vol. 2, no. 2, p. 10), published by the International Society of Cryptozoology. Recently “cryptid” was recognized by the lexicographers at Merriam-Webster as a word of legitimate coinage, though it has yet to appear in their dictionary, as of 1999.

Cryptids are either unknown species of animals or animals which, though thought to be extinct, may have survived into modern times and await rediscovery by scientists. “Cryptid” is derived from “crypt,” from the Greek kryptos (hidden); “id,” from the Latin ides, a patronymic suffix; and the Greek “ides,” which means “in sense.” When the suffix id is used it typically applies to an implied lineage or similar usages, as in “perseid” (meteors appearing to originate from Perseus, typically around August 11).

Bernard Heuvelmans’s definition of cryptozoology itself was exact: “The scientific study of hidden animals, i.e., of still unknown animal forms about which only testimonial and circumstantial evidence is available, or material evidence considered insufficient by some!”

Over the pre-turn-of-the-century decade (i.e. 1989-1999) some have suggested that the science of cryptozoology should be expanded to include many animals as “cryptids,” specifically including the study of out-of-place animals, feral animals, and even animal ghosts and apparitions. In the journal Cryptozoology, Heuvelmans rejects such notions with typical thoroughness, and not a little wry humor:

Admittedly, a definition need not conform necessarily to the exact etymology of a word. But it is always preferable when it really does so which I carefully endeavored to achieve when I coined the term “cryptozoology.” All the same being a very tolerant person, even in the strict realm of science, I have never prevented anybody from creating new disciplines of zoology quite distinct from cryptozoology. How could I, in any case?

So, let people who are interested in founding a science of “unexpected animals,” feel free to do so, and if they have a smattering of Greek and are not repelled by jaw breakers they may call it”aprosbletozoology” or “apronoeozoology” or even “anelistozoology.” Let those who would rather be searching for “bizarre animals” create a “paradoozoology,” and those who prefer to go a hunting for “monstrous animals,” or just plain “monsters,” build up a “teratozoology” or more simply a “pelorology.”

But for heavens sake, let cryptozoology be what it is, and what I meant it to be when I gave it its name over thirty years ago!
"

I'm with John and Bernard, and they coined the words and definitions for them. That's the facts in "black and white". Let's not try to reinvent something to suit our own purpose (now that's irony), it is what it is and should be used as it was created and intended. That's why known animals and breeding populations are a separate issue and I'll never see it any other way. Why? Because that's the way the creators of these terms intended and envisioned for them to be used. For future reference, if you want to know the definition of a term, if possible, it's always best to go to the one who coined it. (For future reference huh?)
Chris B.
Firstly, your over-the-top sympathies and seeming fanboi respect for what "the creators" umm "created and intended" regarding some dumb word's origins is noted. BLAARG much?

Secondly, it should also be noted it was you and only you who started this now absurd semantic argument about what is and isn't a ******* "cryptid".

Also, your implicit disapproval of the Wikipedia entry is just more proof of you trying "to reinvent something to suit our own purpose." The Shrike has mentioned to you several times now "words mean things", but he might as well have said "your dog is ugly" cause you've yet to type a proper acknowledgement he said anything.

Now let's explore that "words mean things" truth a little further. You wrote:

...“Cryptid” is derived from “crypt,” from the Greek kryptos (hidden); “id,” from the Latin ides, a patronymic suffix; and the Greek “ides,” which means “in sense.” When the suffix id is used it typically applies to an implied lineage or similar usages, as in “perseid” (meteors appearing to originate from Perseus, typically around August 11).

You got the crypt- part right, it's origins are crypto<kryptos (hidden). But since you're too cool for The Shrike's really good advice, you didn't get the "-id" part right and actually got it hilariously wrong.

Let's use the respected Merriam-Webster's definitions (a good choice as you'll see).
Merriam-Webster said:
¹-id noun suffix

Definition of -ID
1: one belonging to a (specified) dynastic line <Abbasid> It's not that.

2: meteor associated with or radiating from a (specified) constellation or comet <Perseid> Not that either.

Origin of -ID
in sense 1, from Latin -ides, masculine patronymic suffix, from Greek -idēs; in sense 2, from Italian -ide, from Latin -id-, -is, feminine patronymic suffix, from Greek

²-id noun suffix
Definition of -ID
: body : particle <chromatid> Now this sounds like it. Hidden body. Hmm. It surely applies and whoops, no more definitions.

Origin of -ID
probably from Latin -id-, -is, feminine patronymic suffix, from Greek
See the hilarious blunder? Wait, WHAT, you didn't actually write that, Loren Coleman did and you were just quoting him? But how can that be since you were "schooling us" on how we were so blindly ignorant of how "words mean things"?

Championship.

Oh and Bernard Heuvelmans was a brain damaged pedophile.
 
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I have not kept up over the years as to the goings-on at Bigfoot Forums. Did they ever figure out if Bigfoot keeps pets?

Yes! The evidence of Bigfoot pets are the cryptid wolf, cougar, and melanistic cougar/jaguar/panther/house cats shot or sighted in Kentucky! The sad irony is that they haven't learned the art of invisibility to avoid being shot like their Bigfoot masters have.
 
Ah yes, the Big Thicket of Texas, buzzing with bigfoot activity. That region is a such a perennial hotspot for birders that I had a field guide many moons ago that contained a separate section called something like "Birds of the Big Thicket."

Bigfoot evades thousands of people obsessed with counting new species and more often than not outfitted with excellent camera equipment? Seems legit.
 
Ah yes, the Big Thicket of Texas, buzzing with bigfoot activity. That region is a such a perennial hotspot for birders that I had a field guide many moons ago that contained a separate section called something like "Birds of the Big Thicket."

Bigfoot evades thousands of people obsessed with counting new species and more often than not outfitted with excellent camera equipment? Seems legit.

Isn't DWA from that nape of the woods? It'd be great: The Big Thick from The Big Thicket.
 
Black helicopters with EMP devices able to erase DVD data. Told you folks. Gubnmint, Joos, NWO, pinko commies, anti-gun folks, mainstream scientists, NSA spooks, MiBs, logging & mining lobbies, they r all against bigfoot research!
 
Black helicopters with EMP devices able to erase DVD data. Told you folks. Gubnmint, Joos, NWO, pinko commies, anti-gun folks, mainstream scientists, NSA spooks, MiBs, logging & mining lobbies, they r all against bigfoot research!

I'm not a conspiracy/government cover-up type of person, but let's discuss the following hypothetical scenario.

Let's go on the premise that Sasquatch is actually a living, breathing entity in the woods of north America. Would the government have a reason to try and keep that news from getting out? Be it national security reasons or economic reasons or something else? Is it in our collective "best interest" that this topic needs to remain on the fringe of society relegated to internet forums.

I can already envision many posting "but it doesn't exist, so it's a moot point", I get it. But, for the sake of entertainment, let's go with it as a hypothetical.

Discuss.
 
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