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Given the number of trailcams out in the wilderness today, I think these creatures would have to be avoiding them for some reason otherwise they would have been caught at least a few times by now. At the same time, assuming they are biologically real, there probably wouldn't be very many of them out there to begin with so collecting something like DNA samples could be a challenging task. I know there are people who have lived in some of the best alleged Sasquatch areas their whole lives and have never once seen one.
 
That's one of my points. If this were a real animal there should be alot of them and sign should not be that difficult to document especially with the extirpation of grizzlies from most of the lower 48. Grizzly bear densities are 1-3 animals per 100 square km. Lowland gorilla densities are 10x higher than this and in some cases much higher. I can see no biological reason why there would not be alot of these things. If low population density was from persecution by humans then we'd have specimens.
 
Of course! Bigfoots can detect the very low soft tone produced by the cameras' electronics. What? Never heard it? Of course not! You can't! You are not bigfoot. See? Proof the argument is solid.

And remember- bigfoot is always watching you. From behind that tree, bigfoot sees you setting up the camera trap. Bigfoot remembers. Bigfoot either avoids or destroys it.

The alternative would be to include "not exists" as an extreme subset of rarity... That would be unacceptable. We KNOW bigfoots are real.
 
ScottV: welcome. You are correct, especially in your observation that there's no reason for bigfoots to be what bigfoots are supposed to be (ecologically) in the absence of severe and long-term persecution by humans. Don't expect bigfooters to understand natural selection, however.
 
Also, there is no hunting in National Parks. So bigfoots in Olympic National Park should be quite relaxed with humans.
 
Maybe their territories extend beyond the park's limits.
Maybe they remember humans are dangerous, memories dating back from before the reserve.
Maybe they talk with other bigfoots, from other areas and learn to avoid humans.

There are bigfoots relaxed in respect to humans. Its called habituation.

Can't sink that rubber duck!
Footer belief is impervious to logic.
Bigfoot is KNOWN to exist.
 
I know there are people who have lived in some of the best alleged Sasquatch areas their whole lives and have never once seen one.

You also know there are people who claim to see them quite a bit and are armed yet . . .

You also know there are people who claim to see them in their backyards where actual researchers could study them, but yet . . .

You also know there are people who claim they (bigfoot) are people and have sequenced their DNA, yet . . .

Seems to be a pattern here.
 
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Is there a reason ever given for why professional trackers are not utilized by these "research" groups?
 
^Um, why would we want photographs? The scofftics will just say it's a guy in a suit.

Not blurry videos.

High res stills.

A guy in a suit isn't going to be in 2 or 3 places at once, either.

It's rarely hard to ID what gets caught on a game cam. Especially if they are well placed. In pairs.

But I forgot that sasquatch magically avoids game cams no matter the set up.
 
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that's true. Trail cameras are often used in pairs for tiger, jaguar, leopard and probably other species, surveys to make sure that the coat pattern is recorded for individual identification.
 
Hi ScottV - yeah, every state and the feds too have professional wildlife enumeration staff, models, multi-year integrated programs, etc. There is quite a literature in the peer review wildlife pubs regarding enumeration using airplanes, scat counts, carcass counts, etc. For a lot of the big game animals they have to establish harvest (hunting) numbers too.

The 'footies studiously ignore all of it and try to act like they are the only people who ever thought about looking for animals in the woods. This has always been the most annoying aspect of the whole 'footer phenomenon for me - proving themselves to be the most ignorant, incompetent, and bizarre animal enumerators on earth. The more years you can amass without ever having a single, verifiable count - the more of an expert you are at "finding" them. You want the guy who has never found one in at least 50 years.
 
I don't see how a clever fake could be ruled out. A high resolution picture of a real Sasquatch would at best be inconclusive in my opinion. The fact that these things are reported to have body proportions that are nearly identical to that of human beings adds a whole new dimension of difficulty in ruling out a fake. This has actually been demonstrated with the PGF.
 
I don't understand why they haven't done this in Oklahoma with the amount of activity reported. It seems simple enough to get hair and scat if they are in that localized vicinity all the time, no need to use fire arms to get concrete proof and risk accidental injury of other people passing through the area.
 
that's true. Trail cameras are often used in pairs for tiger, jaguar, leopard and probably other species, surveys to make sure that the coat pattern is recorded for individual identification.
Whereas poor quality, amateur shots can generate lots of speculation from non-experts.

See this thread, Help me ID this Animal.

126 posts with some pretty wild-arsed guesses on what the animal is.
It is a Brush-tailed Possum, btw, but other WAGs were:

Tasmanian Devil
Sloth Bear
Tree Kangaroo
Fruitbat
Wallaby
Kinkajou
Quokka
Wombat
Tasmanian Tiger...

It was surprising how many posters adamantly refused to budge from their assertion that it was a T.Devil, despite the evidence presented to the contrary and the presence of a number of other posters that had a history of frequent and long term experience with seeing the animal in the wild and actually lived in it's country of origin.
 
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Is there a reason ever given for why professional trackers are not utilized by these "research" groups?

I've wondered what people are talking about when they say "professional tracker".

There really isn't such a thing anywhere in bigfoot territory - a person who makes his living being paid to track animals. The closest occupation I can think of is big game guiding. But these people are paid by producing (real) dead animals and not tracking per se. Any decent hunter or trapper with a lot of years' experience can track various animals with the same skill so there isn't anything gained by specializing in tracking alone that makes someone marketable as a specialized "tracker". In the pacific northwest where bigfoot is alleged to be anyway.

So "tracker" is mythical lore, not reality, and one that was exploited by Roger Patterson in his filming of bigfoot at Bluff Creek in 1967. He had a part-Indian, Bob Gimlin, that by virtue of that partial blood alone was cast as his Indian Tracker. Bob lived in a subdivision of Yakima, and it is safe to say he never made a penny in the fabled "tracker" industry his entire life. But the publisher of the paper first reporting that most famous event was in on the hoax with a wink and a nod as a means of bringing notoriety to Eureka and the Times-Standard circulation.

Were 'footers to hire someone with bona fide tracking skills, now the problem is there aren't any bigfeet in existence and the only tracks for him to follow have been hoaxed. So they're going to be isolated runs, coincidentally in the best soil condition for tracks, starting nowhere and ending nowhere that a nonexistent animal of that immense size would be.

Someone who can follow tracks is going to bring with him a whole set of skills that matter to him in tracking. What do they eat, where do they sleep, where is their water, their minerals, and how they get from one to the other. Their traffic corridors.

So look at the Elbe Trackway for example where the 'footers tried to frame it as remote and sensible for the ecology of the place. Yet with google earth you can show the highway, the railroad yard running parallel with it, restaurant, hotel, gas station etc. a hundred feet away, the loooooong stretch of road from which all of the traffic would have seen an 800 lb animal strolling in plain view... a person with objective wildlife experience is going to say the tracks and story don't make sense. Even were he convinced, he is going to stay there and keep looking. Because if they are there, you will find them. But the first rule in bigfootery is that the instant you see one, run away and never come back to that spot again as long as you live.

So even if they existed in the sense of the "tracker" lore, he's about the last person you want on your team.
 
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