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Drewbot said:
I wonder if Bill consulted with Dr. Meldrum before releasing this info about the Chewbacca Defense.

Certainly Bill and Dr. Meldrum might see a shift their way in private Bigfoot funding, if the Ketchum project went balls up.
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I agree, there is something odd about this current controversy: getting up on a box and inviting lawsuits, posting sloppy contracts on the BFF and making tortious threats to wreck people's careers...this is more like kabuki theater than real life. Almost scripted. I'm not sure what is up right now but I will bet you a buck that there is more to this than meets the eye, and that in reality either the probability of legal action is virtually nil, or somebody with bucks is backing that play.

I could be wrong. For example, I thought Melba Ketchum was just a sweet naive small town, east Texas horse lover.

So if Bill Munns actually gets sued over what he did, you can slap my face and call me skeptard.
 
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theagenes said:
I've got to say as someone fairly new to this whole BF thing, this is all an incredibly fascinating study in human behavior.
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It's fairly similar to paranormal enthusiasts; a lot of cognitive dissonance and very little critical thinking going on. At least in regards to almost zero evidence for said enthusiasms. It's all "sightings" and little else, with almost no acknowledgment to the weakness of eyewitness testimony, the frailty of memory, and seemingly no knowledge of common phenomenon like hypnagogia/hypnopompia. Then there's the cultlike clinging to the self-proclaimed "experts" even in the face of hoax after hoax.

Creativity, there's lots of that; just have a look at the habituators or the very amusing bigfoot versus bear thread.
 
The Shrike said:
I'm sorry, this is the level of writing we get from a veterinarian?

"Do to the wild rumors out on the internet. I felt it important to address a new rumor about a possible hoax. First we have never hoaxed anything as there is no need to. We have the proof we need in the science. I hope this helps everyone understand."

That would be about D-level work for my undergraduates. Are we sure that the person who wrote this even has a Bachelor's degree?
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yes, unless it was written by "Casey Mullins," who is apparently as elusive/illusive as bigfoot*. He/She claimed to be an editor of a scientific journal and administrator of a foundation, so one would assume he/she had a bachelor's degree. But of course, neither he/she nor the foundation has an email address or an internet presence, and the scientific journal is defunct without publishing anything, so it is really anybody's guess, isn't it.

*oh, wait, bigfoot doesn't exist....
 
theagenes said:
And according to the mtDNA results they're an incredible diverse group of people, with nearly the same democraphic make up as the normal human population of North America. What are the odds?
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If you would get out from behind your desk and do some real field research in the grocery store check out lines, you would know that published reports from reliable sources of human women having bigfoot's baby are extremely common.

ha. rookie...
 
The Shrike said:
Well bigfoots are people so there you are.
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I think Dr. Ketchum's paper demonstrates the opposite ie people are bigfoots.
I could be wrong. Maybe people+bear+bleach are bigfoots.
But I think I am turning out to be correct when, a year or so ago, I advised MM to 'sell high' his various bigfoot businesses/freco-tourism. (TM'd)
 
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So the bleach thing - does it actually seem to be the case that some sort of DNA denaturing was used in Ketchum's analysis to create the impression of something novel in the samples?
 
The Shrike said:
So the bleach thing - does it actually seem to be the case that some sort of DNA denaturing was used in Ketchum's analysis to create the impression of something novel in the samples?
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gracious, dude, the things you say...do you kiss your mother with that mouth? you sound like Justin Smeja.

You should try to emulate Tyler H and his "magic potion" concept:
Maybe I'm being a little too gracious here... but I still think it is possible the Melba actually believes her work is not fraudulent. Like a child who creates a "magic potion" out of stuff in the closet and the medicine cabinet, she may really believe she has discovered some special methods to uncover something, that science has overlooked.
Along the way, she likely started thinking that since Wally was so generous, and wealthy, and laid-back, and since her "pioneering efforts" were infused with such genius, that she was entitled to a very cushy 'salary' (such as the 50% commission she pitched to Justin) to go along with her efforts.
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well, okay, even he did get a little snarky there at the end. Hey, I didn't think the BFF allowed such things to be said about its members. Did someone get thrown under the bus?
 
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I'm just trying to keep up, bro. Did TheMelba analyze her samples in such a way that she could concoct her story or did she actually do something to those samples to make them look weird in her analysis?

If the former, she can have an out with the 'footers by claiming she just made an honest mistake. She can be forgiven by the 'footers and enjoy a 2nd coming in just a few months. If the latter, then it'll be more difficult for her to claim anything other than a purposeful hoax, and it might take more like several months before the 'footers would stand in line to lap up whatever she intends to sell next.
 
About Tyler H, I find this following statement interesting:
http://bigfootforums.com/index.php?...um-report-continued/page__st__320#entry708406
Both Derek Randles and Adrian Erickson told me that "Only Melba can get the Bigfoot results we we are looking for. Other labs will just get regular animals, or human.'"
It was from that moment on that I bailed, and wanted to have a secondary independent source also test Justin's tissue. That was December of 2010, I think (or possibly early 2011) that I had those conversations with Derek and Adrian.
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Supposing that Tyler H is telling the truth here, there are only two explanations that I can see:

1 - Randles and Erickson were stupid enough to believe that Ketchum was a kind of Galileo.
2 - They perfectly knew that she was a fraud and were happy with it.

It seems that a lot of money changed hands during that fiasco and it would be interesting to know what Wally Hersom think about it.
 
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The Shrike said:
I'm sorry, this is the level of writing we get from a veterinarian?

"Do to the wild rumors out on the internet. I felt it important to address a new rumor about a possible hoax. First we have never hoaxed anything as there is no need to. We have the proof we need in the science. I hope this helps everyone understand."

That would be about D-level work for my undergraduates. Are we sure that the person who wrote this even has a Bachelor's degree?
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I guess you didn't read this review of Dr. Ketchum's recent interview (emphasis added):

This program contains highly controversial material. It is about scientific findings that lie outside the expectations of the scientific community, but nevertheless have been completed at a high level of finish.
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the source?
(...wait for it...)

Dreamland !
/rimshot
 
Sorry, I'm still sitting atop a big pile of turnips on this truck, and I've never heard of "Dreamland." (Looks like some kind of New Age-y woo-factory.)

I'd still like some info on this bleach thing. If TheMelba was perpetuating this level of fraud, i.e., intentionally manipulating the samples herself, then would she not be guilty of real, you're-going-to-jail fraud as opposed to "Sorry Your Honor, I actually was stupid enough to believe those samples had bigfoot DNA" fraud?
 
Castro said:
About Tyler H, I find this following statement interesting:
http://bigfootforums.com/index.php?...um-report-continued/page__st__320#entry708406

Supposing that Tyler H is telling the truth here, there are only two explanations that I can see:

1 - Randles and Erickson were stupid enough to believe that Ketchum was a kind of Galileo.
2 - They perfectly knew that she was a fraud and were happy with it.

It seems that a lot of money changed hands during that fiasco and it would be interesting to know what Wally Hersom think about it.
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With BF one is always guilty of fraud and deception until proven innocent.

The answer then, is choice number 2.
 
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