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parnassus said:
From a BFF post claiming to have transcribed Dr. Ketchum's statements on Coast to Coast Radio with George Knapp (characterized by one party as "paranormal" radio):

Once again Dr. Ketchum comes up with an even more contorted "lawyer ate my homework" story of Two Crappy Journals and tells it in a fringe setting that only her ardent followers give any credence to, and where she won't be asked any hard questions, or to prove anything. Evidently she has no proof of her Tale of Two Shi++ies. I assume it is an elaborate fabrication.
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If you noticed, no one over there (where they're doing the high quality posting) even questions the venue. Because everyone knows the best science is done on Coast to Coast radio.
 
The essence of, proper play of and the manner in which to win any game or contest is contained in its rules. Baseball, basketball, shpoople, drag racing all have very specific rules one must adhere to in order to win. And if you stray from such rules for any reason, depending on the severity of the infraction, those same rules dictate you get penalized, disqualified, ejected, rejected and/or otherwise put at some disadvantage of winning. That's the entire premise of having the rules. So that everyone is playing the same game fairly.

"Candy's dandy but anarchy's better."

The Melba? She's not playing the 'real science' game. She's playing some other game. 'The Melba science' game. They are not the same game. One is documented to have rigid rules and procedures - most of which established many moons ago - that are used in the quest for scientific truth and knowledge. The other is documented to have capricious rules and goals somebody named Melba has made up as she's gone along. How could she be playing 'real science' when she's not following any of its rules? She's not, of course. It's precisely why I have total faith 'real science' will win on this one. She's playing a game she had no business playing.

Sadly for all those lost soul Bigfooters, The Melba knows the con she's pulling. And I dare say for her it's not even about winning anymore. She's playing 'not to lose' now. She absolutely has to know she's not 'real science', but she also knows DNA is still an obscure enough subject that her being even fantastically wrong can easily be spun into undetermined if it's said often enough. Undetermined is 'not losing'. And undetermined lets the monkey live.

Long live Bigfoot errrr I mean The Melba! Hallelujah! :eek:
 
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Resume said:
And you're missing a major point. WTF do you need with a DNA analysis when you claim the monkey is right there! One can claim all sorts of nonsense with lab work; and a scientist like yourself can poke all sort of holes in that, and the believers will still believe the lie and we're still where we were.

Again, these folks claim multiple, specific observations of this cryptid; bring the monkey to us or take us to the monkey or stfu.
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Exactly, these people claim they're living with bigfoot, if I was asked to prove my family exists I'd have pictures and could even introduce you to them, I'd not have to rely on DNA samples.
 
calwaterbear said:
Look, you guys are apparently missing my point.
1. You can NEVER PROVE the NONEXISTANCE of Bigfoot.
2. what you can do is look at specific claims made by believers, particularly those intent on "proving" their existance
3. when you look at the many claims made by Melba, what you CAN PROVE, is a long series of lies. So If she is lying about all of this stuff - that makers it much more unlikely that her claims are legit.

Melba will never convince anyone over here, as will no one here ever convince a footer with their dogged recitation of their own personal belief.

for me demonstating that the highpriestess of BFery, has a long demonstrated history of serial lying, that may just put a bit of doubt in a believers mind - it might kick start a few of them tio critically evaluate their beliefs.

Thats where the "science" I am talking about lies in this issue, the examination of specific claims made by the individual. If I can demonstrate a whole long train of deliberate lies and deciet, the conclusion becomes a bit more obvious. That has been the result of the examination of her paper, but what has not been pubically vetted is her repeated claims of scientific bias drove her to buy a journal to preserve the "peer review" and her claim of that bias again in GenBank not publishing her sequence!

Obviously many here would rather postulate and posture , not really interested in pursuing the truth. No problem , just does not measure up to my definition of a skeptic, but then again, obviously I am in the minority here!
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Been there, done that, don't feel the need to debunk in detail another obvious fraud.

Your accusations sound very much like any bigfoot fanatic.
 
HarryHenderson said:
The essence of, proper play of and the manner in which to win any game or contest is contained in its rules. Baseball, basketball, shpoople, drag racing all have very specific rules one must adhere to in order to win. And if you stray from such rules for any reason, depending on the severity of the infraction, those same rules dictate you get penalized, disqualified, ejected, rejected and/or otherwise put at some disadvantage of winning. That's the entire premise of having the rules. So that everyone is playing the same game fairly.

"Candy's dandy but anarchy's better."

The Melba? She's not playing the 'real science' game. She's playing some other game. 'The Melba science' game. They are not the same game. One is documented to have rigid rules and procedures - most of which established many moons ago - that are used in the quest for scientific truth and knowledge. The other is documented to have capricious rules and goals somebody named Melba has made up as she's gone along. How could she be playing 'real science' when she's not following any of its rules? She's not, of course. It's precisely why I have total faith 'real science' will win on this one. She's playing a game she had no business playing.

Sadly for all those lost soul Bigfooters, The Melba knows the con she's pulling. And I dare say for her it's not even about winning anymore. She's playing 'not to lose' now. She absolutely has to know she's not 'real science', but she also knows DNA is still an obscure enough subject that her being even fantastically wrong can easily be spun into undetermined if it's said often enough. Undetermined is 'not losing'. And undetermined lets the monkey live.

Long live Bigfoot errrr I mean The Melba! Hallelujah! :eek:
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I think her game is to scam as much money as possible out of the gullible using her questionable credentials and bogus testing as bait. It's worked out great for her.
 
Drewbot said:
I heard that a draft of the paper is circulating around scientific circles. So I inquired.

A. This shows that scientists are reading the paper, they just won't pay for it.
B. An actual scientist has posted this. http://www.venomdoc.com/downloads/Novel_North_American_Hominins.pdf
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Now if I read this correctly, sample 37 was from a female observed by "field scientists." This female may be viewed in the supplementary video 1, and the photo in figure 4. What I'm wondering, and call me crazy for doing so, what I'm wondering is why there isn't specimen monkey A? You know, since said monkey is right there!

Instead we have a hair sample. I think someone is burying the lead here.

Uncatalogued primate:
Perhaps good evidence = Hair, scat, saliva.
Real good evidence = *********** monkey.

Of course I might just be crazy.
 
I see that Dr. Ketchum has now formally referred to herself as a "habituator." ie she has a place where she can/has seen bigfoots repeatedly. Of course, she won't take YOU there, or take videos/photographs because, you know, that would make the bigfoots go up in smoke, or something. But trust her, it is real.

This is just one more of Ketchum's various claims that can be recognized as one of the hallmarks of pseudoscience: she can't make it happen when neutral scientific observers are around and it can't be documented.

Here are 10 other frequent red flags, the Forbes list of signs of pseudoscience.
Sound familiar?
 
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I really can't read the name "Dr. Ketchum" without snickering a bit. Ketchum was the last name of the main character in Pokemon, as in "gotta catch 'em all". The idea of going after Bigfoot with a poke-ball is just too amusing.

On another note I would like to point people to the lovely cellphone videos taken of the recent Russian meteor strike. Sorry that the link I have is from Cracked but they are still good examples.

These videos are wonderful examples of how people behave when faced with something unexplained, possibly dangerous, but of great interest to them. Note how people follow the meteor strike, carefully trying to film everything. In one video the man even tries to enter a burning building to get a shot of the impact site.

Amateurs who were not even looking for a meteor will run wildly after it to try to get a better shot and yet Bigfoot hunters who are looking for the beast won't get off their bums or will actually run away from it. Also note the high picture clarity and steady camera work of these amateurs. This is what cheap modern cellphone cameras will give you. There is no longer any excuse for blurry images when for less then a hundred dollars you can have a camera of this quality.

Anyway, that's just my two cents. I look forward to seeing what excuses the Bigfoot community has for not carrying a blasted cellphone camera or failing to point it in the direction of their quarry.
 
Jeff Meldrum weighs in, saying he doesn't think any journal would pass on a legitimate Bigfoot paper.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...-journal_n_2711676.html?utm_hp_ref=weird-news
"To make an end-run around the process by erecting a facade in the form of a so-called new journal and allege that it is edited and reviewed, without providing any of that information on the public web page, it appears that she has undertaken an effort to self-publish, just to get it out there," Meldrum told The Huffington Post. "And, to boot, she's charging $30 a pop for a copy of the paper."
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He is saying exactly what we have been saying for years here:
Meldrum said he doesn't think any credible scientific journal would shy away from the topic simply because of its controversial nature.

"I wouldn't rule it out entirely. There are certainly politics involved in the selection of papers. If it's solid work, this is the discovery of the century, if not the millennium," Meldrum said.
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idoubtit said:
Erickson is no-kill. And they are PEOPLE!
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Jerrymander said:
^^^Can't they use tranqulizers?
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idoubtit said:
Can you do that to PEOPLE?

(You see how this "people" thing is really convenient?)
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Jerrymander said:
^^^Yeah, its also convenient that they don't ask these "people", to a press conference.
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His people look a lot like a purple shag rug.

ETA: Plus, Ketchum (DVM) has tested footie tissue that has been "cored" for lack of a better term. Footie give that up voluntarily did (s)he?
 
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Use flies and mosquitos to find rare animals

With the new techniques, we can pull very small samples of DNA and ID it. The analogy they use in Law enforcement is: if you walked by a swimming pool and spit in it, we could pick that up.
So simply smashing into the guts of carrion eating flys and mosquitos is revealing DNA sequences of rare animals.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/21320626
 
Actually, it's totally okay to tranquilize people, at least according to some porn I saw the othe -- . . . I've heard from other people that some weirdos enjoy.
 
Weak Kitten said:
I really can't read the name "Dr. Ketchum" without snickering a bit. Ketchum was the last name of the main character in Pokemon, as in "gotta catch 'em all". The idea of going after Bigfoot with a poke-ball is just too amusing.

On another note I would like to point people to the lovely cellphone videos taken of the recent Russian meteor strike. Sorry that the link I have is from Cracked but they are still good examples.

These videos are wonderful examples of how people behave when faced with something unexplained, possibly dangerous, but of great interest to them. Note how people follow the meteor strike, carefully trying to film everything. In one video the man even tries to enter a burning building to get a shot of the impact site.

Amateurs who were not even looking for a meteor will run wildly after it to try to get a better shot and yet Bigfoot hunters who are looking for the beast won't get off their bums or will actually run away from it. Also note the high picture clarity and steady camera work of these amateurs. This is what cheap modern cellphone cameras will give you. There is no longer any excuse for blurry images when for less then a hundred dollars you can have a camera of this quality.

Anyway, that's just my two cents. I look forward to seeing what excuses the Bigfoot community has for not carrying a blasted cellphone camera or failing to point it in the direction of their quarry.
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Yeah, I think people are likely to gather around and look at bigfoot, if they see one, not run away in fear.

Oooh! Look at that! Jimmy get the camera! Kim, you aren't going to believe this, come look! Etc.

People generally don't run away when they see a big old bear or even a cougar or a moose walking in the woodline. All of which are quite dangerous. They generally gawk at it, film it, and call in their friends to gawk at it, too.
 
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